Hi all,
Just a little thought and an agreement with Horse's take
on Morality and Reality.
> > WALTER:
> > The many differences in the judgement of Good are the
result of the static
> > backpack people are wearing (the context) and the
different perspectives
> > persons take in there judgement.
> > Horse writes that 'what links Morality and Good is
Dynamic Value', but this
> > just seems to easy an answer. How does DQ link Morality
and Good?
>
> I think the answer to this is at the end of chapter 12 in
Lila:
>
> "... not just life, but everything, is an ethical
activity. It is nothing else. When inorganic
> patterns of reality create life the Metaphysics of
Quality postulates that they've done so
> because it's 'better' and that this 'betterness' - this
beginning response to Dynamic Quality -
> is an elementary unit of ethics upon which all right and
wrong can be based."
>
> Static patterns of Value are static moral patterns and
these patterns are the basis of reality
> at all levels. How these patterns respond to DQ
determines the Good. Imagine the response
> as a bell curve: No response - No change/ No Good;
Over-response - too much change =
> pattern damage,again No Good.
>
[snip]
>
> I agree that Good is co-existent with the morality of the
universe because the morality of the
> universe is the existence of the universe or reality
itself. Reality (= MoQ-Morality) and Good
> are co-dependent (and even co-evolutionary) but not
identical.
>
>
> Horse
One thing some people on the MOQ forums seems to take for
granted is that Quality is nearly identical with Good. So
I'd like those who recognize themselves to go back to ZMM
and the experience of the hot stove. What was experienced
there was pure Quality, but one of a negative kind. Reality
is made of both positive and negative elements, and change
isn't always for the best. The relation to Morality is that
good changes have (generally) more latching power than bad
ones. I'm sure people will call me wildly optimistic at
this statement, but if you take a "level's view" (by which
I mean : if it's good for the level in which it happens), I
think it's right.
I believe the reason why we can say that the universe is
a moral one is because the static latches are made on the
basis of the Quality of DQ events. It's kind of a circular
argument, but I think it captures the 'Lila-dance' of
creation, the cyclic rythm of Death fueling Life and so on.
Good and Bad are necessary as a way of continually testing
static patterns, and forcing them to improve. What's good
for a level survives and changes it, until something better
comes along, making it Bad.
I had once a little experiment where I left my hand on a
hot radiator just to see what a burn "really" felt like, if
you abstracted the pain (I was quite young then).
The lesson I feel I've learned from this (apart from
curiosity being painful after a while ;) is that there is
no Good or Bad : they're interpretations, static values
that are only the marks left by the experience. Have you
ever wondered why is it that things hurt most *after* they
happen ? You break a leg, or a tooth : shock... then comes
the pain. You go and see a movie (a good one) : trance...
then comes the feeling of elation. Good or Bad aren't
Quality (experience), they're already once removed. Reality
is build upon the judgment the levels pass on DQ events,
but the flowing reality of Quality is *only* change. Like
quantum reality, Quality can be seen both as a particule
and a wave... as SQ (judgment) and DQ (experience). Good
and Bad are clearly on the static side, but nothing is ever
static for long. So there is an evolution of what "Good"
is, and therefore an evolution of Morality.
I wonder if Horse'll follow me on this one, but in the
end, I believe that by Reality we both mean Quality seen as
a dynamic processus, and by Morality, Quality seen as
static patterns (judgments) of value.
Judgments being "once removed" from mystic Reality,
Morality is the immanent Reality, while Quality is the
transcendent Reality.
Thoughts, anyone ?
Denis
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