Rich: Cool. Thanks! I'm sure there are other similar hierarchies, but I
can't think of anything off hand. However, I thought you might be interested
in a couple of related thoughts...
Although it is mixing apples and oranges to a certain extent, I think there
is a striking similarity between the hierarchy of these Kosmologies and the
hierarchy of developmental stages that each individual passes through.
Maslow, for example, is working in psychology rather that philosophy, but
the same patterns and principles appear everywhere and on every level. Even
the human fetus seems to recapitulate biological evolution as it grows in
the womb. Circles within cirlces, patterns within patterns, the one and the
many...
On another note, have you noticed that none of the comparable hierarchical
schemes includes the social level except Pirsig? Wilber comes close with his
"early mind (mythical)", but its not quite the same. Pirsig says that SOM
makes it very hard to see the social level and that this blindness is at
root of amoral scientific objectivity, value-free technology, the mind/body
problem and a whole host of other ills. Pirsig's contribution in this
repsect is, I think, unique. The social level is what makes Pirsig's
hierarchy different that the others, no?
Good to see you posting again.
DMB
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: MD Evolution
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> In "The Psychology of Man's Possible Evolution", P.D.Ouspensky gives this
> description of man (simplified here):
>
> There are seven types of humans.
> Each human has each of these "centres" (men #5-7 have more):
>
> Instinctive
> Moving
> Feeling (emotional)
> Thinking (intellectual)
>
>
> In "Up From Eden - a transpersonal view of human evolution", Ken Wilber
> gives these levels of consciousness (and more):
>
> Nature
> Body
> Early mind (mythical)
> Advanced mind (rational)
>
>
> In John Locke's "Essay", he discusses these "identities":
>
> Matter (material substance)
> Living Matter (vegetable, animal)
> Conscious Living Matter (person)
>
>
> In many works, Aristotle's four causes are given as:
>
> Material (bronze)
> Formal (Socrates)
> Moving (the artist/sculpturer)
> Teleological (final cause - the good, the "purpose")
>
> (I haven't confirmed this - but according to my Ancient Philosophy
> professor:)
> Aristotle "invented" the term "Dynamos" to indicate "potentiality", the
> opposite of "actuality".
> Hmmmm...
> The root of our word "static" is "stasis", also from the Greeks.
>
>
> In the "Republic", Plato's "line" divides this way (many different
> translations) (each epistemological level has a set of corresponding
> metaphysical objects):
>
> Images
> Beliefs
> Knowledge
> Perfection (gnosis - of the Good)
>
>
> In "Creative Evolution" by Henri Bergson, he gives a similar scheme... the
>
> terms of which I've forgotten. Also - I've forgotten the name of the book
> (it's on Morality) - he says that there are two types of morality, and
> also
> religions:
>
> Static and Dynamic
>
>
> Anaximander (or Anaxagoras) was one of the first Greeks to suggest that
> man
> evolved from animals.
>
>
> In India, "the Great Chain of Being" has been recognized for many
> millenia,
> and there are many schemes which correspond incredibly well with Pirsig,
> except that they give levels (of consciousness = being) further on past
> the
> intellectual. Read the "Bhagavad Gita" as translated and commented on by
> Swami Vivekananda.
>
>
> In this post, I propose that Pirsig's use of "Inorganic" to describe the
> first level is not as good as "Physical". (especially for abbreviatory
> purposes - IBSI vs. PBSI)
>
>
> Are there other I-patterns of evolution corresponding (more or less) to
> Pirsig's?
>
>
> One more thing:
>
> Static Patterns of Value are forever Dynamic. (impermanent, evolving)
>
> Dynamic Quality is eternally static. (eternal, elusive)
>
>
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