Yeah I agree - I've been watching this newgroup for quite some time now and I have to say that I haven't
really had much enlightenment from much of the discusion - just more loose ends. But it seems to me that
the difficulties lie in the transition that one must make between MOQ and SOM - I think Pirsig is asking
us to make a jump of faith - changing the boundries, the peripheral of our outlook and philosophies.
It also occurs to me that one of the things that Pirsig is definitly trying to do is rescue us from
subjective relatavism.
Has anybody ever read Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico Philosophicus? - I think he tries to do something
sort of similar there - one has to absorb rather than learn the 'rules' of the perspective he is
proposing. The MOQ is a PRAGMATIC perspective.
Richard Chamberlain
Struan Hellier wrote:
> Struan,
>
> It is interesting to note that the MOQ seems to allow almost every conceivable standpoint into its
> framework, as evidenced here over the last few weeks (years), and one has to question why Pirsig
> claims that everything becomes fantastically clear under the MOQ when it demonstrably doesn't. We
> have had everything from fatalism and hard-determinism through to soft-determinism and ethical
> libertarianism; and from no self to Zen and the art of self recovery, all while examining the issue
> of free will and all claiming to be under the MOQ banner. Is it just that we are a particularly
> stupid bunch of people or is it that the only thing the MOQ makes clear is our almost total
> subjectivity? (and if anyone dares to tell me that I am trapped in SOM for that last point, I will
> jump up and down, a la John Cleese, before thrusting a dictionary in front of them, open at the word
> 'irony'). Many truths is one thing, but this is silly.
>
> Struan
>
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