Clark:
I think I understand where our differences lie in theory.
You believe that there is Order in everything, even in Chaos. We just
haven't found how the Order works in Chaos. For every effect there is a
cause. A.K.A: "God does not roll dice."
I believe that there is no Order within Chaos. DQ isn't another form of SQ.
DQ is separate from SQ. A.K.A: There are dice rolls and there are no dice
rolls. It's a sliding scale between the two. Kind of like an equilibrium for
a chemistry solution.
Is this an accurate summation?
Sincerely,
Matt Coughlan
>From: "pclark" <pclark@ipa.net>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Subject: MD Random patterns.
>Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:44:20 -0600
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>clark says: Subatomic particles do not make choices.
>
>Coughlan says: This goes against the whole theory of MOQ. You are assuming
>the above statement. MOQ states that particles DO make choices. So does
>quantum mechanics. They value certain probabilities over others. Isn't that
>"making a choice"?
>
>Clark says,
> Randomly falling into a possible niche that has been prepared previously
>is not making a choice. All possibilities will be tried. Some will allow
>further progress, others will not. Those niches that allow further progress
>will allow the faller to be modified and become fit for another niche. In
>this way Quality will drive the process toward further truths. All of this
>will have value and morality simply by virtue of being compatible with the
>process. Up until the advent of awareness and sentience there will be no
>choice in the chain of possibilities. Awareness and sentience will allow
>some modification to be made in the chain of possibilities but we must keep
>in mind that the structure of reality goes all the way back to the big
>bang.
>
>
>Matt,
> Coughlan says: Yep, this is a trap. Remember, in MOQ it goes like this:
>Quality ----> DQ
> |
> |
> \/
> SQ---->1)inorganic
> 2)organic
> 3)social
> 4)intellectual
>
>Clark says,
> I think that your diagram supports my contention that Quality is not a
>product of the human mind but is the function on which the structure of the
>universe is hung. If I replace some of the words we should have a better
>picture.
>
> Big Bang equals Quality
> |
> |
> |
> Inorganic
> Biological
> Social
> Intellectual
>
>Note that this is a deterministic diagram.
>
>Clark says,
> Matt, I agree with you that free will and determinism are the same
>thing. They become indidstinuishable because of complexity. Ken Clark
>
>
>
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