David Sater wrote:
>
> Mark and group,
> I was reading through the MOQ archive and stumbled across this quote of yours:
> "Perhaps the only truly living thing in MoQ terms is the creative force, and all > else is residual static." (MF Is the Giant self aware; May 07 2000 - 07:39:24 BST)
> Your brilliant quote triggered a chain of thoughts within my mind that helped me > redefine the relationship of "God and all existence". You've hit the nail on the > head
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> During more pleasant mental experiences, however, it seems to me that "the > creative force" builds up lower-level static patterns to create enough complexity > to adequately express itself within them. This is evolution; inorganically, > biologically, socially and intellectually. This is why time flows forward and not > backward. This is what all existence is headed toward. Forgive the computer jargon > but, it is as if the universe is an interlaced .gif file downloading into a web > browser- growing more precise and clear as each "pass" occurs and the image becomes > increasingly more visible. The "browser" is the "stable pattern of values on all > levels" providing a platform for the content, "Quality", to manifest.
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> ds
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Hello MoQ-Squad,
Just a short insert to express my agreement to Mark and Davids approach. Me too,
believes, that first of all there is the relation between DQ and SQ as the
center and most important aspect (for me!) of the whole structure of Pirsigs
MoQ, and the definition of the levels is ranging clearly below, concerning it's
importance.
The definition of the levels is important and very useful in characterizing the
two poles of the realm of static quality, while I do have problems with the
borderlines between the levels and the way they are thought to 'hand over',to
surpass the Isthmus, the machine-code as the connection to the upper level,
especially the social- and the intellectual level. I think the definition of the
(4) levels is itself static and to be considered provisory. DQ is the leading
force, but intellectually undefined. Static quality is the basket, the element
to pick up, what could be intellectually defined by human beings from what has
DQ left behind on it's way and it is always less than DQ itself. The fact, that
our minds work (mostly) on the basis of SOM, does make things even more
difficult. And when saying, that the intellectual level is ranging above the
social level, whereas I consider the social level as (partly) a level of
emotions and feeling producing by this social standards (values) we are right in
the soup again: The perception of DQ is grounded in the social level, because
feelings (intuition) and emotion is responsible for the sensing of DQ, so the
intellectual level is NOT independent on the social level. Therefore I conclude,
that a level that is (in no way) independent on a lower level, cannot be
superior to it.
Still quite confusing;anybody having ideas about DQ and emotions?
This is roughly, what's giving me somehow a feeling of Non-satisfaction on the
relation between intellectual-and social level, I hope it's not too confusing.
Otherwise I'll hope to be ready for clarification, if necessary.
Regards,
JoVo
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