Finally had some time to catch up on past posts(been traveling a bit)
- feeling the need to share some thoughts....
David Prince, going back to your comment "So many people believe in
free will. It is easy to say, "Well, you CHOSE to get an F." Bullshit.
No one chooses an F. Society chooses F's for them."
I'm surprised no one made reference to the idea that while one might
not get up and decide "Hey! I think I'll go get an F today" - people
DO make choices that result in their getting an A or an F. When I
taught, I never gave an F. I never GAVE an A, either. Students got
the grade they earned. There was no 'society' choosing what grade the
student got. They chose to do the work or they chose not to do the
work.
And while I don't want to seem like I'm picking on you, your next
post also seemed to have a bit of "the other person is responsible"
twist. I would amend your point about who's responsible for being
understood to the following: "The speaker is responsible for making
sure that their message is understood AND the listener is responsible
for making sure they understand a speaker's message." As a speaker.
it is my responsibility to make my message as clear as I can.
This,however, does not remove the responsibility of the listener to
make sure they understood what was being said. Does this make sense?
And lastly, I encourage you to be careful about speaking for all of
us. I'm referring to when you said: "I think the reason is that we
aren't interested in real communication. Communication is related to
the word commune. It really means to come together as one. To reach
agreement. But we aren't interested as philosophers in reaching any
kind of agreement. Instead, we are more interested in publishing some
obscure viewpoint surrounded by a whole bunch of big words. This makes
us look smart and feel smart."
I know it's a common enough habit in society to say "we" or
"everyone" when what I think the speaker means is "I think that we..."
or "I think everyone..." Just pointing it out in an effort to promote
clarity in communication :o)
(BTW - to reply to the content of the above quote...I would LOVE for
people to come to agreement - to find the "oneness" in their life and
the universe. My theatre company has one policy for making decisions
when there is not a unanimous agreement - all proposals that do not
have everyone's support are taken off the table and we roll up our
sleeves and find a solution that EVERYONE can agree with. Win-win.)
If my post put you off (since I seem to be singling you out) - please
look past that and hear what I'm trying to communicate. And as
always, I'm open to feedback in return.
Be Good.
Shalom
David Lind
Trickster@postmark.net
>From the Tao "The one who knows, does not speak. The one who speaks,
does not know."
Hmmmm....what does that say about me?
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