Peter,
Hopefully I'm using plain text.
Thanks for your thoughts on the basis of belief,
and that everything is a matter of faith, although I would include 1+1=2.
Is this why I should believe in God, because if I dont I wont collect ?
The thought of every thing being a matter of faith ties in nicely with
everything being created by quality. If faith=quality could you say that
something is more or less real depending, on the amount of its
quality that you percieve.... quality in terms of physical, intelectual,
social, biological etc.
the greater the quality perception the greater your faith in its
existense/reality.
May be personally I should be looking to increase my perception in certain
areas
in order to grow.
Pisig said that quality was the pre-intellectual perception of reality.
surely it is the pre-intellectual perception of quality along with the
intelectual perception, that dictates what we then go on to percieve as
being real.
The fact that there is a consensus most of the time on what is real and
whats not infers that regardless of what we percieve or not, things are
*real* if they are percieved by anyone.
God therefore exist and so does the Devil, but not for everyone.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Lennox <peter@lennox01.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: MD 1+1=2
> Hi - as I said in a recent post, as far as I can ascertain, the nearest
> thing to an "absolute" statement is exactly that - "1=1+2", because of
it's
> tautological nature.
> EVERYTHING else is a matter of 'faith'. It's faith which is soundly based
in
> a skilled assessment of probabilities, which skills have been honed over
the
> history of our evolution. The belief is not entirely random, or amorphous,
> but it is subject to considerable variation, according to various
subjective
> criteria. The reason you (and I ) believe that the sun will come up
tomorrow
> is bound up with our individual observations that a) it always has done,
> during our own life(s) and b) it always has done, even before that,
> according to hearsay (slightly less concrete than [a], but still fairly
> 'hard'), and c) if we're wrong, then so are all the other creatures we
might
> be competing with, and we're all going to cease to exist, and what would
be
> the survival value in worrying about that?
> So, all is belief, but some is slightly more "absolute" than other. It
seems
> slightly more certain that, one day, the sun WON'T come up than that it
> 'absolutely' will, tomorrow. Nevertheless, I put my bets on the latter
> rather than the former, because: if the sun didn't come up, how would I
> collect?
> sorry.
> cheers
> ppl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cozens
> To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> Sent: 04 October 2000 22:37
> Subject: MD 1+1=2
>
>
> Is this true ? is this absolute ?
> Surely that depends on whether you *Believe* it to be the case.
> Most philosophical discussions appear to me to come down to what you
> believe,
> do you believe in God ? do you believe that undefinable quality is the
> source of all that exist ?
> Whats the difference ?
> I believe the Sun will come up tomorrow, although I'm more certain it came
> up today.
> Does that just infer that I just cant handle the idea that the Sun might
not
> come up tomorrow.
> If it doesn't come up bang goes OUR evolutionary, intellectual & social
> quality, static and dynamic.
>
> Pirsig continually refers to the classic verses romantic *beliefs* and
> reconciles both by a belief
> in Quality. He conducts and plays out intellectual arguements to support
his
> ideas & beliefs in LILA he
> is seeking new ideas, good is a noun.(big deal but to surpass looking
after
> LILA)
> An inquirey into morals, does Pirsig have morals or an intellectual ego in
> pursuit of ....
> I think its good if the sun comes up.
> I find it anoying that I cant choose what I believe even though I have
> freedom of choice.
> Please shoot the above down in flames,
> but not the Sun coming up.
> Brian
>
>
>
>
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