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From: Jonathan B. Marder <jonathan.marder@newmail.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:21 PM
Subject: MD Genes, Memes, Darwin and Lemarck
Jonathan, here is the answer for the second challenge.
You wrote,
> The second challenge is something I wrote to Kenneth privately. As a
> biologist, I can accept the model of Darwinian evolution of genes.
> However, behaviour is often conscious - sometime we can aspire to a new
> behaviour and then master it. Does that mean that memetic evolution is
> Lamarckian?
<< Jonathan, you wrote in MD Intellectual Control of Society that intellect
over society means planning.
I agree, keep that in mind and check out the following enumeration,
Planning = Lamarck = Dynamic = Intellect = Individual = Private = Design
= Memetics = Software.
Evolution = Darwin = Static = Tituals = Collective = Society = Genentics
= Hardware.
Memetic evolution is Lamarckian in the sense that I copy the actions you
make, not the instructions your brain holds at the time for making those
actions.
In a way we can say, we " plan " which behaviors we will copy.
Otherwise, in the Meme- Meme- View of Susan Blackmore we don 't
plan anything_ our memes do.
Whether we see the proces as Lamarckian also depends in part on what
we consider the equivalent of the phenotype to be.
If we follow some memetisists in persisting in seeing the organism as the
phenotype than obviously the proces is Lamarckian.
By the way, I see it like that, the whole of the organism is changed by
interactions of memes, not only some floating parts.
All interacts on all the levels of complexity.
See http://www.memes.org.uk/lectures/mms.html
My personal statement is as follows...I think evolution acts fractally...
Evolution is a Darwinic element, it indicates genetics...hardware.
The software are the memes, then what I call Lamarckian (re) actives.
It is the sensibilité, the urge towards complexity, the form without
stimulus
which allows the organism to select and to let it react.
Then the system is ordered, regulated, provided/ filled with definitions;
stipulations, conditions, properties,... which in their turn provoke, each
in
their interest, a Lamarckian (re)active which once again wants to corro-
bate itself into the Darwinian idea of selection and variation etc...until
there
originates a fractal structure, a Lamarckian/ Darwinian continium.
That is, the causal arrow works both ways, genes causes memes (or are
the entity which holds within the spatial expression of itself ) and in the
reverse memes could be responsible for changes in the metabolism of
individuals, and those changes would influence our genetic material, which
we gave than to our children and with that some of our memetic info if
the idea I mentioned in my previous post is valid.
That is, brain level memes are based on cell level m(g)emes.
Did this help...
Many regards,
Keep up the Good work...
Kenneth
( I am, because we are)
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