Hi Roger,Hi Magnus, Hi all,
Maybe this is not new to you (I'm almost sure actually ;-) ), but I have found
while searching my personal archives, 'laterally drifting', a post from Magnus
on a similar model.
But it is different though. On the one hand Magnus pursues also the direction to
'functionalize', to describe the dependency between the levels, i.e. the
different qualities getting represented by the levels, but on the other hand he
stays with his dimensions with the level-definition strictly.(Old members are
yawning at my eagerness, perhaps :-) )
What problem I do have with the levels, they're those are too rough. I think,
that having only four areas or zones to distinguish value-beings and also their
complement in mind the intellectual patterns of value, is at least one reason
for difficulties to find a reliable assertion of the named (s.a.). So my model
is similar to Magnus' dimension-model, but it tries to find a refined grid, in
order to achieve a better solution of observation (like that of TV). Only with
a refined grid, a zooming-in is possible, i.e. is making sense. (see also my
last post to MF/Nov).
Magnus Berg wrote on Wed, 05 Jul 2000
[...]
> Now, I'm going to, for the n:th time describe the dimensional way of looking at
> the levels. Unlike Jonathan, I'm reluctant to refer to old posts. Every time I
> write something, I do it a little different, and perhaps this little difference
> will make it come through clearer.
>
> Anyway, the dimensional view of the levels has nothing to do with art. It's a
> view of the static levels, so the DQ is disregarded. If we start with the first
> level, the inorganic, it only expands in one dimension, or direction. So if we
> apply that to the forces of the inorganic level, gravity, electromagnetism and
> so on, all of these forces only expands in one metaphysical dimension. I.e. they
> are ultimately composed of the same "ground stuff of reality", inorganic quality.
> This hypothesis is not yet proven though, but this is what physicists is calling
> the GUT (Grand Unified Theory). If proven, I would take it as a strong indicator
> of the validity of the MoQ levels. And I would certainly take it as proof and
> definition of the first level.
>
> Now, when we start expanding into the second, biological level, the straight line
> starts to build upwards in a straight angle to the first dimension. The result is
> a rectangle that has both length and height. An example of such a "rectangle" is
> an amoeba. It shows all the characteristics of every other inorganic pattern, i.e.
> it has mass, gravity and so on. But it also has a few senses of the biological
> level. It can sense what it should eat and what not to eat. I was just looking
> at the equalizer of the WinAmp on my desktop, that's also a good analogy of what
> an amoeba is. When a song is playing, the equalizer's different bands are jumping
> up and down just as the amoeba's senses are acting and reacting. But when the
> song is over, the equalizer bands vanishes, just as the biological patterns of
> the amoeba disappears when it dies. The inorganic is still around though.
>
> When viewing the levels like this, the inter dependency between the levels
> becomes more than just an enforced rule. It a rule of necessity, like "people
> cannot live without air", not an enforced rule like "basketball players cannot
> run more than two steps without bouncing the ball".
>
> The dimensional view continues to the social level by extending the rectangle
> inwards to form a cube. In this cube we have inorganic, biological and social
> patterns of value. The wolf in the beginning of the post is not only social and
> biological, it's also inorganic.
[...]
It is a nice read, indeed! I had read it by that time, but forgot about it - at
least consciously.
But it seems to be also connected somehow to my stuff, I guess.
Thanks for reading
regards,
JoVo
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