----- Original Message -----
From: "PzEph" <etinarcardia@lineone.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: 05 December 2000 12:17
Subject: Re: MD the particular, the general, EITHER/OR, BOTH/AND
> ELEPHANT TO CHRIS RE REFERENCES TO HIGHLY EVOLVED BIOLOGISTS:
>
>
> CHRIS HAD WRITTEN:
> >>>> (1) There is enough evidence around to validate the conjecture
> >> that in the
> >>>> human brain, and in the brains of other lifeforms, the
> >> distinction is made
> >>>> of the particular and the general and from this emerges the concepts
of
> >>>> objects and relationships.
>
> RICHARD ASKED:
> >>> Which studies is this taken from?
>
> ELEPHANT TRUMPETED:
> >> There's Millions of them to choose from. They are the same ones that
> show
> >> how consciouness has evolved to it's highest form in the lesser-crested
> >> biologist.
>
> CHRIS THEN WROTE:
> > :-) yes there are a lot! however here is a list of useful refs that
cover
> > the ONE:MANY, WHAT/WHERE, OBJECT/RELATIONSHIPS expressions in scales
from
> > neuron to neural groups to the 'top' of the list, the neocortex... first
set
> > of refs favour the single frequency detection of the more 'object'
side -
> > that that favours 'what' and so when particularised we get WHO and
WHICH..
> > all 'dot' or 'point' oriented terms...
>
> ELEPHANT:
> ~:---() Could please explain the quote-marks here around 'object'? An
> object is an object. >
DearPzEph,
That's just the point: any object is made of little objects, and is itself a
composite of bigger ones, right up to "all there is"; the objects, sorry,
"objects" we know are the ones we recognise as such because we've evolved to
recognise (and manipulate) just those objects which are of an appropriate
scale (to our survival needs). But isn't this what Pirsig was banging on
about when considering Romantic vs Classical considerations of a motorbike?
The idea that "objects" have some intrinsic properties which qualify them as
such, independant of our viewpoint, seems difficult to maintain without
saying that actually, everything is object, and either infinitely divisible,
or not actually divisible at all.
cheers,
ppl
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