MD : Reply to "Flying on the Ground"

From: Bobby Dillon (dillon221@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Dec 08 2000 - 12:59:39 GMT


I am reposting this so that i am not accused of "flying away" from
"real questions".
Andreas,
I read your post today on the 1st dec. Good questions.
In replying to your post, i am not sure that you have directed the
questions towards me or just generally as those that we ponder upon.

Anyhow i will briefly try to answer :

I consider Hermann Hesse's work Siddartha as a masterpiece in what
i call as self-inquiry, and that is what i have been focusing on
this whole month - the importance of self inquiry which i consider
as essential to any inquiry into morals - for morals is nothing else
but how we treat our fellow beings that share the same spaces. Now i
know that human nature is such that conflict is unavoidable , but that
is the very test of our existence ! To manage conflict in such a way
that in the process, something is created but nature is not destroyed,
is i believe the essence of morals. I have not read 'Dostojewski', but i
think Gurdjieff is another person who emphasised that without self-inquiry
and moral evolution, human life will eventually degenerate into a form of
life lower than that of animals. Now i too can see this happening , and it
horrifies me, and thats what brings me to MOQ.( Of course what horrifies me
would appear as a childish reaction to many people and herein lies the
difference. )

    Would You agree that choosing, may the parameters creating the situation
be of whatever origin, always follow DQ.

Now thats a difficult question to answer in general terms for it has no
GENERAL
VALIDITY but is very important from the point of view of PERSONAL VALIDITY.
The fact is that this is a key question that requires a great deal of
personal
exploration and has no definitive general answer but for the time being let
me
quote from the "Dao of Power ":
"When the world (or Self) possesses the Dao ( Quality ),
    Even fast horses are used for their dung.
When the world is without the Dao,
    War-horses are raised in the suburbs."

So that you do not say that the answer is ambiguous i would say :
"Choosing" mostly follows static patterns and rarely follows DQ and that is
the
the crux of the MOQ : Freedom from static patterns, that is, choices made
by
individuals on the basis of inner predilection aligned with DQ, rather than
biologically, socially, culturally or intellectually determined static
patterns.
The absence of DQ or the moral force means that there is no other choice but
that which is determined by static patterns and static values.

    What does the MOQ say to the idea of 'I' ?

Doesnt say much i guess, have to search in Lila for that, but thats another
thing that Lila is short on. But i would say that Buddhism and specifically
Zen has a lot to say about "I". The whole practice is first MASTERING the
"I"
and once a stage is reached, then go for what is "not I" - "SEEING INTO
ONE'S
OWN NATURE " , again we come to what i said above about self-inquiry being
central and prerequisite to any other inquiry.

    What is the difference between love and DQ ? as an antagonist to 'What
is the difference between energy and DQ ?

In my opinion they are not the same. I found the discources on love in
"Phaedrus" quite enlightening and i do agree with Socrates that love is
also of many kinds with very essential differences between the types.

    What does the MOQ say to Thomas von Aquins quote: ' Evil is the absence
of GOOD ' ?

Ignorance of nature and specifically of one's own nature, i feel, is the
ABSENCE of GOOD and manifests in what may be termed as "Evil" though i do
not prefer to use this term.

Thanks for the questions . Always welcome.

Bobby

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