PUZZLED ELEPHANT TO MARTY IN AGREEMENT:
Marty's response to PzEph's reply:
> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question. As in any useful
> discourse, additional questions present themselves. I am fairly new to the
> group and I hope I am not re-hashing old issues, but here I go:
> Elephant wrote:
> "Nor, indeed, do I think that MOQ is exactly
> committed to saying that "quality actually compels objects to be made",
> since Quality is a being, a fundamental being, and also a power, a great
> power, but not an agent."
>
> * First of all, I should have used PROPELLED instead of COMPELLED, as I see
> Quality as an attraction (pull) rather than a force (push).
ELEPHANT:
That's a very good way of putting it.
MARTY:
> * What do you mean when you say 'Quality is a being, a fundamental being'?
> * It's been awhile since I read LILA and I am in the process of re-reading
> it, but perhaps you wouldn't mind clarifying what you mean by "our picture
> of 'not-mind' is precisely what's at issue in MOQ." If it is true that
> 'mind and 'not-mind' are the same thing and it only appears that there is a
> split, then it seems to me that the problem is with the way we interpret and
> the tools (mental or otherwise) that we use to do so.
ELEPHANT:
I mean that Quality isn't reducible to, or analysable in terms of, anything
else.
I'm not suggesting that mind and not mind are the same thing. I'm
suggesting that insofar as they are different, they are false conceptions.
Big difference. May be they have to be different to mean anything - in that
case they are questionable concepts. Often it is a question of language
here. Perhaps you can say that mind and matter are the same - but then you
are using both words with quite a different sense to the one they started
out with. Actually what I'm interested in is where we draw boundaries
around the mental, not as a substance, but as a class of events. Is the
Lewis and Clark expedition a mental event? Interesting question. Are the
Rockies a mental event? Worth thinking about the Buddhist attitude to
mountains, pure perception, that sort of thing.
All the best,
Pzeph.
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