Thanks,
Allthough it is not based on my own personal life, for a close friend it is.
I'm still contemplating on your thoughts....
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Van: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
[mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]Namens Marty Jorgensen
Verzonden: donderdag 14 december 2000 19:27
Aan: moq_discuss@moq.org
Onderwerp: RE: MD clinics and baby's
Like many hard moral questions (such as the abortion issue) the conflict
arises when the rights of different individuals collide; in this case the
right of a person to conceive a child at their discretion conflicts with the
rights of the unborn and the rights/obligations of the clinic. Those within
the clinic have a very difficult path to follow - on one hand there is the
desire to maximize the quality of life of the unborn child and on the other
is the question that at what point is the potential for the quality of life
to be so impaired that the child should not be born at all. I'm not sure
their is one right answer to this. It could be argued that the mothers
right to have the child conflicts with the clinics desire to maximize the
quality of life of that child. It can also be argued that there are no
guarantees in life and that being blind is still better than not being born
at all. Because the clinic has the right (I assume) to screen potential
clients, it has the obligation to decide who is accepted and who is not.
This is probably not a position people should be placed in, but since you
are, I would say you are obligated to do what you feel is best for all
concerned. Sorry, but I don't see any cut and dried easy answer here.
Hope this helps,
Marty J
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
[mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Marc Brookhuis
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:41 AM
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Subject: RE: MD clinics and baby's
Thanks, that makes things really clear...
Back to reality,
suppose you work in this clinic and you really are trying to do the best for
all people who come to this clinic,
that makes this a bothersome case.
We, me and a friend, couldn't work it out. That's why I put this on the MOQ.
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Van: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
[mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]Namens Peter Lennox
Verzonden: woensdag 13 december 2000 1:38
Aan: moq_discuss@moq.org
Onderwerp: Re: MD clinics and baby's
Of course they discriminate; that's what humans do best.
Is it moral?:........ is there some moral yardstick?........; "simply the
best thing to do".....for who?
more to the point, does one agree with the doctors, the lady in question, or
"none of the above"?
Most importantly, is it moral to give lawyers more work?........
sounds like Asimov's laws of robotics to me .
as a 'rule of thumb', stories about lawyers suing doctors are remarkably
removed from 'real' , moral concerns because they sound like territorial
arguments (to me), and are astoundingly removed from 'real' human stories of
suffering, survival and aspiration precisely because they sound like stories
about "how to cut the cake" rather than stories about 'how we can make
enough cake'; it seems to be about "taking what's mine", as against "giving
what I can".
But maybe I'm just jaded
Most importantly, in this mailing, is the message that "discrimination" (per
se), isn't wrong, (per se), - it's just what we do to understand the world.
if what you mean to vilify is "dogmatism"...- well let me be the first to
join you - let's make it an absolute rule that "Dogmatics" - who ever they
may be- must never be tolerated they must be killed, and tortured
horribly, just so the rest of us may
belong.............................................
( P.S. - this is how so called "comedians" evolved, in my opinion)
ppl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Brookhuis" <brookhuis1@zonnet.nl>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: 12 December 2000 23:15
Subject: MD clinics and baby's
> Clinics and baby's
>
> Maybe something interesting for the MOQ, a case about morals, values and
> ethics.
> (taken from real live)
> Maybe the moq-members could help clearing things up
>
> The case
> Picture a fertility clinic and the following case:
>
> A lesbian woman, blind, has a girlfriend with whome she's been living
quite
> happily for some years. Together they take care for two children, the
> children were given birth to by her girlfriend.
>
> The woman wants to give birth to an (biologically) own child, but her
> blindness is caused by a hereditary disease which runs through her family.
> There's a 42% chance that she will give birth to a child who will also
carry
> this disease and become blind when he/she is growing up.
>
> The doctors of the clinic refuse to help this woman with donor
insemination
> because of the high risk of blindness for the child.
> She is very angry and is sueing the clinic for discrimination of disabled
> people.
>
> Some questions regarding the case:
> Do the doctors discriminate? And if so, is it moral to do so?
> What's the moral in this case or simply the best thing to do?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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