There is a paper or two out of the university of Otago (New Zealand) on
consciousness being a result of phase transition; ice-water-steam , neurons,
neurotransmitters/nodulators, consciousness.
It is noteworthy that hormonal processes (which neurotransmitters are) can
be tied to a link of neurochemistry problems that lead to negative thoughts.
Mind therefore requires dynamics to express itself, no dynamics, no mind.
Chris.
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> From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
> [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of dulino
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 January 2001 8:00
> To: Metaphysics of Quality Mailing List
> Subject: Re: MD Prodding of brains.
>
>
>
> These are just some thoughts on this matter. Keep in mind this this is my
> first coherent post on a philosophical subject.
>
> >>'There is no direct scientific connection between mind and matter.'
> >>Instead they are linked through social and biological patterns.
> >
> >STRUAN (continues)
> >>Call that a solution??? There IS a direct scientific connection
> >>between mind and matter and to say their isn't flies in the face of
> >>modern science.
>
> I beleive in either Lila or ZAM Pirsig drew a comparison between
> "mind" and
> computer software. I don't remember exactly which work of his it was.
>
> Lets say our brains and bodies are like computer hardware. Then, mind is
> like software. A computer program can exist perfectly fine outside of
> hardware -- it can be printed on paper, stored in a dormant state on a
> disk drive, remain in a passive state in computer memory, etc. etc. etc.
>
> I am not an information theorist (if someone here is, please correct me),
> but information (software) is essentially a form of energy. On a
> disk or in
> memory it is a particular configuration of electrons - a magnetic charge.
> On paper it is matter -- ink is spilled out in a form that we can
> recognize as meaningful information. In our brains it is a particular
> configuration of neural networks, some electrochemical reaction and a
> resulting flow of electrons. Matter itself is a form of energy
> (E=mc^2) and
> vice versa. Please correct me if I am wrong -- I am not a physicist.
>
> Following this logic, mind is a form of energy/matter. By the law of
> conservation of matter and energy it must exist in one form or another
> _always_. Where do our thoughts go when we die ? Do they disappear ? They
> can't -- because there is always a constant amount of matter and
> energy in
> the universe. Where are our thoughts before we are born ? They must exist
> somewhere, in one form or another, before we are even born. Our
> patterns of
> thought may be predefined by the food our mothers consumed and by the
> particles they breathed in and by the sunlight they were exposed to while
> carrying us in their wombs !
>
> So, mind is a form of matter following simple, most basic laws of
> physics.
> Saying that it isn't, does in fact contradict modern science.
>
> Just my two cents from a scientific standpoint (coming from
> computer science).
>
> Regards,
> Oleg
>
> P.S.:
> Does a computer running software have control over what is going
> to happen
> next ? Does it know that I am using it right now to type up an
> email ? Does
> a human brain know what it is doing ? Does it have any control over its
> actions ?
>
> "By the Grace of God Almighty and the pressures of the Marketplace, the
> human race had civilized itself... It's a miracle..." -- R.
> Waters, "Amused
> to Death"
>
>
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