I too would like to thank David, and those responses that followed, for the
return to the high quality posts that seem to be missing in recent strands
of dialog.
> David, that was a thoughtful and deep post.
> ELEPHANT:
> Dynamic quality, which is neither an object nor a predicate, therefore
> attracts us here as a promising candidate for universal self-awareness.
But
> I have been round this mountain several times, and every promising way to
> the top turns out to be merely a path.... if our travelling is conceptual
> our destinations are too. Quality can't be self-aware, or it would have
to
> be something less than an aesthetic continuum: it would have to fit two
> distinct conceptualisations at once, when fitting one is enough to make it
> other than itself.
Is your position that dynamic quality is antecendent to such concepts as
self-awareness and free-will? If so, it seems that the "quality" is not at
issue, but the "dynamic" is. What differentiates dynamic from static (the
continuum is here, if it is a continuum), in such a way that makes the
dynamic so elusive? Understanding of static quality I see as a somewhat less
formidable task.
>From a behavioral position, static quality as a series of movie frames makes
sense in that those events(environment-behavior interactions-frames) in the
past, impact, or occassions, those events in the present, and predict those
events in the future, given the history of the organism (film). This is the
idea of the operant. Static quality becomes much more linear, much more
objective and definable, as in the sequence of frames or
enviornment-behavior interactions.
So static quality "can be self-awareness." Self-knowledge/self-talk of where
I am at a given time is occassioned by the reinforcement history and
schedule on which the self-talk is controlled. It is dynamic quality that
"can't be self aware," because self-aware is an outgrowth of it. Static
quality is an outgrowth of dynamic quality. It is not as simple as
dynamic-subjective:static-objective, but the static-objective side of the
equation is much easier to examplify.
phil
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