moq_discuss@moq.org wrote:
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> > > GLENN:
> > > a contradiction in the MOQ
> > > illustrated by rock creation.
> > >
> > > Is the creation of rocks such a difficulty. Existence is in the
> > > (sub)conciousness of the experiencer. How, exactly, do you prove
> > that the
> > > rock was not created the moment that it was experienced?
> > >
To Simon:
Well, if you take the rock you just created and have it carbon-dated, you
might find that instead of being minutes old, it is millions of years old.
If the rock created just has the appearance of being millions of years
old, I'd have to ask a) how it got that way and b) why it got that way.
Maybe real reality isn't as continuous and flowing as we think.
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> > Reminds me of a mind bending question once asked of me - what if God
> > created the world - complete with fossils, memories, etc - 5 minutes
> > ago? Could we "prove" it one way or the other?
> >
To David:
No, we couldn't, but it's no reason to believe it, of course. It's hard to imagine why a God would want to delude you into all this false history,
rather than letting it play out like we think it does.
> > Shalom
> >
> > David Lind
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> ALAN
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> Quantum theory would suggest that we have no reason to think that the
> objective material world existed prior to observation/experience.
> Depak Chopra: "Behind us is a ceaslessly flowing quantum "soup" of
> possibilities/probabilities...and like King Midas...when we turn around
> we solidify that "soup".....creating the material world...."
> This suggests the rock is not there prior to noticing it....and one would
> be hard-pressed to prove otherwise.. :o)
To Alan:
Like I said, you could measure its age to prove otherwise. You don't think
you re-create the contents of your living room every time you enter it, do
you? Or blink? It seems a very dubious practice to take the outcomes of
quantum events involving tiny particles and extrapolate this to
macroscopic chairs and sofas that go in and out of existence depending on
whether someone is looking at them.
Glenn
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