PREFACE:
I agree with Roger about the warning in the bottom of the map. But I
would like to discuss the map, here: actually, maps are the only things
we can discuss about.
Hi Elephant,
I want to pick up your suggestion for a possible catharsis.
> Atleast we now know where to start next time.
You finally agree I'm not numericist and I now become an individualist
(a little step beyond, indeed :-). You probably remember that you' ve
begun to put on me the blame of numericism when I offered a quote from
Pirsig's SODaV paper:
<< [In Lila] The quality that was referred to in Zen and the Art of
Motorcycle Maintenance can be subdivided into Dynamic Quality and static
quality. Dynamic Quality is a stream of quality events going on and on
forever, always at the cutting edge of the present. But in the wake of
this cutting edge are static patterns of value. These are memories,
customs and patterns of nature.>>
[At least, it seems we individualists are... two (!). ]
You suggest to restart from the "Event" term. Well, IMO there's no need
to search a lot. Quality, that is Reality, is at the same time
continuous (the HERE and NOW) and static (memories, customs, patterns of
nature). Patterns are in the present, and condition how the present
works. That's why I did not accept your point that the "essence" of
language is not its "nature". Even intellectual patterns are HERE and
NOW flowing: where and when else? Nothing is completely static and
nothing is completely dynamic. That's why, in Pirsigian terms, the
Q-Event is a never ending moment, HERE and NOW.
At least, according to my edition of the map. :-)
But this was not our only disagreement. There is another one, and it's
about the patternmakers. In your opinion, intellect (language) is the
only patternmaker. Again according to my edition of the map, they are
four. My map says that when intellect works there are already
"staticities", but it does not mean that those "staticities" come first.
First of all, there is the cutting edge and the continuous HERE and NOW
reality. When I say that intellect does not come first, you accuse me of
numericism, failing to recognize that also my edition of the map says
that first of all there is DQ.
bye
Marco
p.s.
> well, 'sorry' is all I can think of to say.
Oh, I'm sorry too. If (I felt that) we were on a dead end way, surely we
both have the blame (I wrote: we both have failed). But I did not cut
off all the diplomatic relations.
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