elephant,
> MARCO:
> > But this was not our only disagreement. There is another one, and
it's
> > about the patternmakers. In your opinion, intellect (language) is
the
> > only patternmaker. Again according to my edition of the map, they
are
> > four. My map says that when intellect works there are already
> > "staticities", but it does not mean that those "staticities" come
first.
>
> ELEPHANT:
> - just to stop you there and say that I do not understand this last
> sentence. If the "staticities" are there "already", then necessarily
those
> staticities "come first" - this is just what the word "already" means.
> Perhaps you intend something different from what you state.
Sorry my English... I was meaning: "My map says that when intellect
works there are already "staticities", and that those "staticities"
are not the very first things as before them there was DQ.
> When I say that the intellect comes first, I mean first before objects
with
> static quality and first before quality events (the way I understand
the
> word "event"). I don't mean that 'intellectualisation' is prior to
DQ: not
> at all. (That would be just plain silly).
Of course. You map tells that intellect comes before all the static
quality.
>
> In one sense of "intellect" by which one might mean intuition of the
good, I
> think that the existence of DQ and of this "quality intellect" are
one, or,
> alternatively two "intellectualisations" of the same reality.
>
> But it's mostly the other sense of "intellect", the sense attached to
> "reason" and "thought" and such like that we've mostly been taking
about -
> that's the intellect that comes first before objects, but second after
DQ.
>
Actually, my map tells: fifth, after DQ and something else.
I think we can close at this point. In my preface I clearly stated I was
discussing an intellectual map. So I guess you also are on this field.
Here it is definitive that we have two different maps in our hands. It's
not a very big problem, we both are going to Rome. We will meet there.
See ya
Marco.
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