No, I was just thinking about "conciousness" in a general way; it seems to
me that it isn't one 'thing' or 'process', and isn't consistent in one
person from one moment to the next, never mind from one person to the next.
I was using sleep as an example, because, whilst it is popularly described
as 'unconcious', it doesn't seem to be an 'all-or-nothing' state. Same with
anaesthesia; experiments have shown physiological reaction to certain
stimuli (person's own name, voice of loved one, etc), even psychological
reaction, to the point of a certain degree of arousal - more 'partially
concious than previously. I'm not sure of your objection to 'comparitive
conciousness'; are you actually saying it is just one state, on or off? -
are we talking about the same thing? -
It's interesting that you draw the distinction between 'concious-ness' and
concious-of; can one have conciousness by itself? -or must it always be a
case of 'concious-of'?
just musing - might be a bit off the beaten track,
cheers
----- Original Message -----
From: "elephant" <moqelephant@lineone.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: 05 April 2001 12:41
Subject: Re: MD comparitive conciousness/ - El
> I'm unconscious when I'm asleep.
>
> When I am dreaming I am just confused/watching a movie. I am not any less
> conscious.
>
> You are thinking of the phrase "a higher level of consciousness" - this
> pertains I think to what we are conscious *of*, ie whether dreams or
> reality.
>
> Isn't that the case?
>
> El
>
> > From: "Peter Lennox" <peter@lennox01.freeserve.co.uk>
> > Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 19:48:45 +0100
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Subject: MD comparitive conciousness/ - El
> >
> > El-
> > Are you saying that 'comparitive conciousness' is a strange idea?
(below)
> >
> >
> > "So, you can claim that there is such a thing as comparatively conscious
(a
> > phrase I'd compare to "comparatively pregnant"), but only if you can
show
> > that atoms are language users. Somewhat unlikely. But if atoms aren't
> > language users and thus don't experience SQ there is absolutely no way
you
> > can compare the awareness of an atom to the awareness of a scientist to
come
> > out with your desired conclusion that a scientist is more aware than an
> > atom."
> >
> > Are you as concious when asleep as when awake?
> > cheers
> > Peter Lennox
> > Hardwick House
> > tel: (0114) 2661509
> > e-mail: peter@lennox01.freeserve.co.uk
> > or:- ppl100@york.ac.uk
> >
> >
> > Peter Lennox
> > Hardwick House
> > tel: (0114) 2661509
> > e-mail: peter@lennox01.freeserve.co.uk
> > or:- ppl100@york.ac.uk
> >
> >
> >
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