> So the point is that if you come up against resistance don't be
> surprised. It will happen every time you try to introduce what
you
> see as quality. Untill it becomes a habit and then you won't
> care what others think. Like Pirsig.
>
Resistance doesn't necessarily come from introducing what you
see as quality, but from the level of force people use to introduce
what they see as quality - "every action results in an equal and
opposite reaction" doesn't just apply to (pardon the expression)
objects.
Shalom
David Lind
Trickster@postmark.net
Mangiola Nunzio arivia.kom wrote:
> It seems like you tried to introduce into the classroom what I
tried
> many years ago and I like you ended up with the same results.
>
> I don't think Pirsig mentioned anything on the death penalty or
> any form of incarceration. (Besides that of being declared
insane)
>
> The fact is that you cannot treat the MOQ like the bible. It is not
> a system full of rules. You could say that it is a system of
anti-rule.
> Why? Because it is stated time and time again that quality
cannot
> be defined. Also that quality (of that moment) is defined by the
individual.
> So you saying that the death penalty is an immoral act others
would
> differ. You must also relies that you evolution as a human
being
> might be far ahead (or overhead) of your classmates and by
the
> sound of it your teacher as well. You are not in school to bring
> new thoughts and ideas. Most Universities don't even
encourage it.
> You are in school to have a whole bunch of facts shoved into
your
> head and then you must give it back in a way that it sounds like
> it was your original thinking.
>
> So the point is that if you come up against resistance don't be
> surprised. It will happen every time you try to introduce what
you
> see as quality. Untill it becomes a habit and then you won't
> care what others think. Like Pirsig.
>
> > ----------
> > From:
HisSheedness@aol.com[SMTP:HisSheedness@aol.com]
> > Reply To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:48 PM
> > To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> > Subject: MD md death penalty
> >
> > the other day in class i gave a speech about the death
penalty and i spent
> >
> > about six or seven minutes (the entire thing was twenty, the
requirement
> > was
> > 5-6) giving a very basic explanation of the moq- the four
levels, and how
> > it
> > relates to the death penalty. the main point i tried to stress
was the
> > idea
> > of human beings as 'collections of thought,' and therefore
inextricably
> > tied
> > to the intellectual level, making society's removal of them an
immoral
> > act,
> > society being a lower level of evolution than intellectual.
maybe these
> > kids' parents are all staunch colonel blimps or something,
because when i
> > got
> > done, everyone attacked me with their belief that they need to
see closure
> >
> > and that even if the person commiting the crime was a minor,
they should
> > still be executed and everything. that was all simply emotion
though, and
> > i
> > defended it pretty well, but what i want to know is where
exactly does
> > emotion and personal conviction tie into the moq? if i can
prove
> > logically
> > the folly of the death penalty in contemporary society, (i used
plenty of
> > statistics about wrongful deaths, the failure of it to reduce
crime, the
> > prejudicing against minorities, etc.) why do people still cling
to their
> > views harder than ever? it's not like i expected to change
their minds or
> >
> > anything, but it seemed like they didnt even think about what i
said
> > before
> > attacking me. how does pirsig define emotional attachment
within the moq?
> >
> > im new here, and this whole death penalty thing has
probably been brought
> > up
> > before, and if it has been, my apologies.
> > rasheed
> >
> > ps i got a 69% on my speech because in my introduction i
played the
> > 'ezekiel 25:17' part from pulp fiction to explain my stance,
which my
> > teacher
> > wasnt too keen on.
> >
> >
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