I was actually thinking along the same lines as you Elephant.
That is why I have left the thread alone.
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> From: elephant[SMTP:moqelephant@lineone.net]
> Reply To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:08 AM
> To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> Subject: Re: MD In Defense Of Socialism?/free energy
>
> The question below shows a basic misunderstanding of thermodynamics. It
> is
> a temperature *difference* which drives turbines, not a temperature.
> Since
> in most parts of the world at most times of the year there is a large
> difference between deep and surface temperature (in either direction - it
> doesn't matter as there are such things as valves) extracting unlimited
> energy is simply (!) a matter of drilling a suitably shaped bore hole
> (i.e.
> a loop). A similar arrangement (a long tube inside another long tube) has
> been shown to work for the deep oceans. This system does not in principle
> require the presence of volcanos - and actually the cost-effective
> completion of the circuit might actually be hindered by erratic or
> unreliable geology.
>
> The success of geothermal energy in Iceland has, I suspect, as much to do
> with the absence of alternatives (wood, oil, coal etc), as with the
> existence of optimal conditions. For the kind of geothermal extraction
> that
> is projected Iceland might be a very bad place - like the difference
> between
> being able to pick coal off the Surface and the geology actually allowing
> you to mine for it.
>
> Obviously, as with the internal combustion engine, experimental and
> mass-produced technologies will have very different cost structures. But
> in
> point of fact a basic form of geothermal heating, which involves a pipe
> extended into the soil (quite near the surface) and connected to
> underfloor
> heating in a building via a system of heat-exchange pumps, is already on
> the
> mass-market amougst self-builders, who can see that it makes sense to pay
> up-front for long-term energy requirements, just as one would rather own a
> home than pay rent.
>
> As to the eternal 'it that's so ace why aren't we doing it already?'
> question, consider that in order to introduce a child to the joys of
> moules
> et frites one has to take her lolly away for five seconds. That seems
> like
> a fair argument for 'socialism' in the government of the home. Consider
> the
> alternative: the government of diet on the behalf of lolly manufactures.
>
> But don't have nightmares. That sort of thing could never happen.
>
> E
>
>
>
> > From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <debivort@umd5.umd.edu>
> > Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> > Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:11:26 -0400
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Subject: RE: MD In Defense Of Socialism?
> >
> > How would 50 C. degrees drive turbines?
> >
> >>> If you dig deep enough into the earth (about 4 Km I think that
> >> is about 2.5
> >>> miles) the temperature is in the mid 50 degrees Centigrade
> >>> (about 100 degrees Fahrenheit) There you can use the heat to
> >> drive turbines
> >>> and produce electricity.
> >
> >
> >
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