Looking for a way to 'permanently experience DQ'was a challenge where i
don't think there's a successful outcome so we agree there.
Quality is in the pre-intellectual perception of
thing.I would call the void an area that is pre-perception and above the
intellectual, when i did martial arts there was a concept called the godai,
a mystical elemental hierarchy
ku-void
fu-wind
ka-fire
sui-water
chi-earth
that was a system some old japanese fist flingers believed in(I think it
still hangs around and is taught in japanese schools to young children
today). Over he years i heard many westerners (with no philosophical
training like myself) try to grasp the essence or meaning of this void to
little avail. there were a set of technique's that illustrated the feeling
behind each level.the technique for the void consisted of two movements
1.evading the attackers punch or kick-simultaneously throwing your arm up as
a "distraction"
2.counterattacking with a punch etc yourself.
my friends and training partners laboured under the impression that the arm
was thrown up to 2catch the attacker's eye" but this was not the case.Later
guidlines for meditation work showed its purpose was to take the mind
away,hard to get across to kids in a leisure centre.the technique for the
4th level (wind) was supposed to be the intellectual level where you used
compassion to temper your technique so as not to harm your opponent but to
prevent him/her harming either of you (picture a drunken relative trying to
goad a confrontation).In this godai system the void was taken to be above
intellect as it comprised all possibilities and potential for
everything,including intellect.IMV perception of quality has already
narrowed that void.At the same time the term dynamic quality as the
pre-intellectual cutting edge I could happily take interchangably with the
void as i see it.Whichever terms we're happy with, they're just terms,i
think Lila's Dynamic Quality far more expressive of this flux of
possibilities than the term quality taken alone.
stephen
-----Original Message-----
From: HisSheedness@aol.com [mailto:HisSheedness@aol.com]
Sent: 25 June 2001 16:00
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Subject: Re: MD Religion/God ~ MoQ/DQ
Stephen,
Looking for a way to 'permanently experience DQ' contradicts the idea of DQ.
DQ is something that hits in a moment, when a person perceives Quality that
is inextricably connected with the moment in which she perceives it. I like
Pirsig's music example, which basically said that if you hear a song in a
certain condition, you find some strange beauty in it. But when you buy the
CD, it's good, but not as good as it was when you first heard it in those
certain circumstances. So, it has DQ, because of the experience, but also
sQ, because you still think it's good. That was a pretty bad
recapitulation,
but i think it gives you some idea of what he was saying. As for this talk
of where Quality is and whether or not it is in a void, maybe we need to go
way back to Pirsig's explanation in ZAMM- the event in which one realizes a
thing's inherent goodness. Quality is in the pre-intellectual perception of
thing.
rasheed
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