RE: MD Pirsig's hypocrisy / Emotivism

From: Gerhard Ersdal (ingeborg.ersdal@chello.no)
Date: Sat Jul 07 2001 - 14:16:42 BST


Dear Stephen, Platt, Marco and others.

Thank you all for your replies.

Platt, my intention was to play around with your question, but I guess I got
a little off the track.

Just to make it clear how I define Emotivism, this is a translation of my
notes from some time back:

Emotivism:
All value judges and moral judges are in reality only an expression of the
persons preferences, attitudes and emotions. This result in a situation
where you do not have a common sense, and hence can not have a objective
reasoning based on some common principles, and hence the ethical argument
will only be a emotional conviction.
Emotivism goes very well hand in hand with Libertarianism as value
judgements are left to the individuals own emotions, and not limited by some
common sense. The individuals personal
value judgement, and the differences in these judgements, are by the
Libertarianism welcomed as a sign of the individuals freedom.

I would guess that some Libertarians do not fully agree with my notes, so I
also add a definition from http://www.philosophypages.com/dy/index.htm
Emotivism
The meta-ethical theory according to which the meaning of moral language is
exhausted by its expression, evocation, or endorsement of powerful human
feelings. Thus, for example, saying "Stealing is wrong," is just an
especially strong way of reporting that I disapprove of stealing, evoking a
similar disapproval from others, and thereby attempting to influence future
conduct—both mine and theirs. Although its origins lie in the
non-cognitivist morality of Hume, emotivism reached its height early in the
twentieth century, with the work of the logical positivists and Stevenson.

It would be interesting to see how many that is of the opinion that MoQ is a
Emotivism theory (and are happy about it as that), and how many that agree
with me that the MoQ is not Emotivism, but can evidently wrongly be used to
some
extent for that purpose. Who is wrong, me or the Libertarians, are not of
imortance.

If value judgements should be based on emotions, we have to look into
emotions (ahh, and Bo already did that), but I am of the opinion that as the
emotions are controlling my biological body at a biological pattern of
quality, they can not be 2 levels over at the intellectual pattern of
quality. So the emotions have to be at a biological level or a social level,
and in any of these coices it should not be controlling my value judgemnts.

Stephen wrote:
> I'm not aware of any posts where anybody explicitly states tthat they're
>"violent gun-lovers" and Libertarianism is another label that is
>insufficient to reflect all a persons views ( as all "labels" are generally
>insufficient).

I must remind you that Glen (AreteLaught) 04.07.01 01:43 (CET) wrote:
>Sure I would shoot him. It would not be good to kill that person but it
>would be good to successfully defend my person.

OK, calling him a violent gun-loving libertarian based on this is maybe on
the borderline of what netiquette allows, and I am truly sorry if I offended
anybody.

See you all in a week's time, have to enjoy the summer here in Norway.

Gerhard

PS to Marco:
Marco wrote:
>Well, they destroyed entire populations in the name of Jesus Christ, and
his
>Verb.... Don't give up!
I'm not going to, I promise. There are many, and you are indeed one of them,
that are writing very interesting contributions to this list. And if these
libertarians had not been here, I never would have experienced the problems
I now find in the MoQ.

Marco also wrote:
>30 degrees? In Norway? well, they are really destroying the climate on this
>planet :-)
Yeah, the nice weather is probably brought to us by the same Energy Company
that pays the bill of a Texan in Washington. I must remember to politely
thank them next time I'm filling gasoline :-)
And, there is no need to travel all the way to Rimini for a pleasant stay at
the beach. In some years you may be living in a desert, and we will be
making my Italian favorites "Permigiano Reggiano", Parma ham and "vino
rosso" (my Italian have always been bad - close to non-existing, but I hope
you get the meaning).

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