----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Taylor" <jodokaast@hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: MD Emotions revisited.
> > > > An animal with no knowledge of life and death is immortal.
> > > > So if i had no knowledge of life or death would i be immortal?
> > >
> > > I know it sounds outrageous, but the MoQ IS outrageous .
> >
> >Plants have no knowledge of life and death, and can't they live forever
> >with
> >proper nourishment?
>
> Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that Bo did
not
> mean this literally. When he said an animal with no knowledge of life or
> death is immortal, it means that since the animal does not know it's going
> to die, it is the same for it as being immortal. One day the creature will
> not wake up, because it's dead, but it won't ever know that, because it's
> dead. If it is killed sometime, it will no doubt experience some sensation
> from the various things happening, but many will be unfamiliar as it has
> never died before, and it won't know that it won't be alive in a few
> minutes.
>
> At least, that was my take on the statement...
Not to be rude, but what's your point? First you say the animal is immortal,
then you go on to say it's not.
> > > > imagine
> > > > i was abandoned as a child on a desert island with a lifetimes
supply
> > > > of rations etc but had no schooling whatsoever, couldn't talk and
had
> > > > not encountered death)?
> > >
> > > An interesting "thought experiment". There are a few known cases
> > > of children raised among animals and they were said to behave
> > > like animals; no language and thereby no Intellect that "knew that
> > > objectively...etc."
> >
> >No language? As far as I know many animals have some rudimentary
language.
> >As far as the death part.. I'll have to look that up in Lila again
>
> No, probably not language. Communication skills, yes. But not language.
Just
> because animals make noise and other members of the species respond to
that
> noise does not mean they are conversing through language. Making some kind
> of societal contact, yes.
>
Would you please tell me the difference? In my experience animals making
noise and others responding is essentially what language is.
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