Hi All,
Squonks' "Bite the bullet friends; Consciousness is High quality, very
dynamic, and not
>centred in individual Humans."
is supported by the following quote from F.S.C. Northrop (the author of the
philosopy book that Phaedrus read in ZMM ch. 11 p. 108):
[Northrops aestetic/theoretic split becomes Pirsigs' dynamic/static split]
"The psychological, epistemological, religious and cultural consequences of
this, when its full implications are grasped, will be tremendous. A
veritable revolution will have occurred in Western thought. Instead of
defining the aesthetically immediate away as a mere phenomenal projection
resulting from the interaction of mind and body, body and mind and the
medium joining them will be defined, each in turn and all together, in terms
of the relation between the aesthetically immediate denoted by concepts by
intuition and the theoretically ontological designated by concepts by
postulation. In short, instead of defining aesthetics and logic, including
mathematics, in terms of a relation between psychology and physics,
psychology and physics will be derived from a more primary aesthetics and
logic. Put more concisely, this means that instead of regarding
consciousness as a faculty or property of a knower by means of which he
takes hold of and is aware of purely subjective projected aesthetic
materials such as colors and sounds, a knower will be thought of as
conscious because he is composed of irreducible, ineffable, aesthetic
materials. It is the primacy of the aesthetic and the ineffability of
anything known with immediacy which is the source of the so-called
consciousness of the individual and not the consciousness of the individual
which is the source of the aesthetic materials. Thus aesthetics and logic,
including a mathematics defined in terms of logic, become the primary
subjects, the one as irreducible, fundamental and important as the other,
and psychology, physics and even religion will be derived from them—a
complete reversal of the basic assumptions of modern Western thought."
Cited from: The Logic of The Sciences and The Humanities, The Macmillann
Compamy - New York 1947 p. 395/96
Willem Beekhuizen
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Datum: maandag 23 juli 2001 13:39
Onderwerp: Re: MD Consciousness Explained
>Hi All!
>
>Thanks for the posting Gerhard, very stimulating and i enjoyed it
enormously.
>
>I have a feeling that in the work of Bo, John B and others that there is a
>fundamental problem in what they are saying and reflecting.
>The problem is that they very often take a highly Human centred view of the
>MOQ, and an extremely Human centred view when wandering into SOM territory.
>I understand this is habitual conditioning of culture and language - we all
>have the same cage to escape from.
>
>But in MOQ terms, consciousness is not Human centred.
>We have to face this straight.
>If one accepts the MOQ, as i have done, then one must simply bite the
bullet
>and consider consciousness as a transpersonal event.
>It takes a bold individual indeed to isolate themselves from all contact
with
>culture and not go insane.
>
>What are the implications for corpuscles, neurons, condensates, memes and
so
>forth?
>Vile reductionism at work here methinks, and will get us nowhere.
>
>Bite the bullet friends; Consciousness is High quality, very dynamic, and
not
>centred in individual Humans.
>
>All the best,
>Squonk. :-)
>
>
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