I have had this experience. My way of thinking is totally different from how
it was before Canada Day 2000.
About the inadequecy of language: Let me put it this way, words are just
names for experiences. There was a time before love had it's own word.
There are still experiences out there that don't have words yet. You can't
describe what love is, you can only experience it. Until you have, you have
no idea. There are more experiences out there that only a few have had but
they don't have words yet, because the experiences are so infrequent. How
can you describe these? Nirvana? Enlightenment? Seeing God? The Pheadrus
Experience?
A whole book like ZAMM is required to describe the single word Quality
(with a capital Q), and that's a big one that everybody's experienced.
Imagine trying to describe a word that very few people have experienced.
The reason for this ramble is that it was an indescribable experience that
changed how I think. It was new for me, but I'd like to know if anybody else
has felt the same way. An experience that you've never heard about before.
Rob
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From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On
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Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 3:10 PM
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Subject: MD Have you had the Phaedrus Experience?
I am hoping to meet anyone who has had what I'll call the Phaedrus
experience. That is, the psychological event which Pirsig attributes to
Phaedrus, which led to the upheaval in his life and which found expression
in the MoQ.
I had a similar experience, before reading ZAMM. I would summarise it thus:
a sense of the dissolving of certain of one's mental structures, a radical
internalisation of value, an awareness of the artificiality of conventional
antitheses and generally of the inadequacy of language, and a detachment
from the normal imperatives of personal survival and advancement.
You can imagine the impact of reading ZAMM.
Its popularity indicates that large numbers of people are receptive to these
issues, but do many actually undergo the experience? I suspect not.
I imagine that in the past an individual thus visited would have been
inclined to interpret the experience as religious. It certainly invites
that, since it gives you a powerful sense of being able to understand
religion from the inside.
As far as I am aware, Pirsig was the first to describe it without reference
to religion, thus possibly initiating a process of naturalisation, which I
think could be developed further, with the aid of philosophy and
evolutionary biology. Many years of reflection have left me with a few ideas
on how this could be done. For all I know, it may already be happening -
tell me where!
I would be delighted to meet anyone in whom all this evokes a sympathetic
response.
William
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