>From your previous post:
One of our goals, for example, is to participate in this
Metaphysics of Quality. Fair enough. But I'm not ready to embrace
the idea that our Goal is to construct better and better
definitions. From where I am now standing, the quality of my life
seems much more a matter of experiencing it than a matter of
explaining it.
Which leads to what I really think would be a good thing to talk about: What
are the really good experiences? We all agree on Quality here. We all agree
that it's good. But how do we get it? Are there any high quality experiences
out there that some of us may have never tried?
I'll tell you one that as an adult I never have any more but think was very
high quality when I was young. Talking in the Dark during a sleep over. For
some reason, no conversation topic is off limits in the dark. Your really
get to know people that way.
I'd have to say that getting to know people, and really knowing them,
hearing their ideas and figuring out what makes them tick is probably one of
the highest quality experiences for me.
How about you? What do you think is the best experience out there?
Rob
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Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: Re: MD Self, Free/Determinism : a short essay (again... ;)
Altaf, Dave:
Your comments and the quote of Pirsig that "Quality is seen from
the corner of the eye..." reminds me of something I was taught
about watching stars and other celestial objects on a starry
night. When you look straight at a faint star, it tends to
disappear. But you can "see" it in your peripheral vision by
turning your head and looking at something else. The effect is
caused by the differences between the rods and cones in our
retina. Rods, which tend to be sensitive to even dim light, tend
to be located around the edges of the retina--our peripheral
vision. And cones, which are sensitive to color, tend to be
located near the center of the retina, where we focus our
attention.
I mention this, not as lesson in ocular biology or star gazing,
but as an example of how this phenomena is a metaphor for all
sorts of things--body, mind and spirit. Quality, for example, in
all its forms, can sometimes feel as if it is elusive, just out of
reach. We turn our attention to other things, then encounter
Quality head on in a place and time that may seem odd to us, but
not to it. Perhaps some things, such as small birds and faint
stars, were not meant to be grasped by the hand of intellect.
Perhaps those things with which we are so frequently and
obsessively preoccupied, are not our true center.
One of our goals, for example, is to participate in this
Metaphysics of Quality. Fair enough. But I'm not ready to embrace
the idea that our Goal is to construct better and better
definitions. From where I am now standing, the quality of my life
seems much more a matter of experiencing it than a matter of
explaining it. There is a time to focus on what is straight ahead,
but there is also a time to let life come to us from the edges of
our attention. Perhaps that is what you are saying anyway. Just my
thoughts...
Best regards to all,
Billy Dean
Info@billydee.com
http://www.billydee.com
"It is the journey that enlightens--not the destination..."
Kwai Chang Caine
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From: "altaf anwar engineer" <altzeng@rediffmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: Re: MD Self, Free/Determinism : a short essay
(again... ;)
To Dave :
I tend to agree with you Dave.
What you speak about the DQ-SQ relationship is somewhat related to
Pirsigs line : "Quality is seen from the corner of he eye".
When you turn around and look it, it disappears.
The same holds true for dynamic quality.
I attempt to define it, it changes to static.
Dynamic quality is definitely an experience.
However what Dan may be trying to say is that we are trying to
discuss it and the omy way we can do that is through words and to
a certain point, definitions are inevitable.
Quite an interesting quandary really.
We could go around in circles on this issue.
-Altaf.
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