To: Dan and Marco
Dan, would you review my answers to Marco and comment please. Most of your
response is on Marco's commentary about absurdity and all, but I would like
to know what you think about his specific statements. This might get us
beyond some initial misunderstandings. In general, I have supported most of
your prior comments on the topic, but I don't find any obvious fault with
Marco's current summaries as follows:
MARCO:
The tests of truth are logical consistency, agreement with experience, and
economy of explanation». That's right, even the idea that the Earth goes round
the Sun is not in agreement with experience, but at least they have offered an
economic explanation for that. But saying that the plant I'm looking at exists
only in my mind ("There is no other reality"... ) lacks of all these basilar
factors.
ROG:
Agreed. It is not a very good assumption to theorize that everything is in
your mind. The best assumption for daily life is probably to believe that
subjects and objects are discrete entities. It is just an assumption that we
derive from experience though. Objective plants are "distinguishable things"
that are derived from primary experience and passed on in our culture.
MARCO:
Assumptions. The MOQ also is an idea, an assumption. The MOQ assumption tells
that the plant exists thanks to biological patterns of value, using the
inferior
inorganic level as support. The MOQ assumption tells that those kinds of
patterns have existed in times before any social patterns and any intellectual
assumptions. So, IMHO assuming that plants are assumptions of my mind, and NOT
independent biological and inorganic patterns of value, it is also assuming
that
the MOQ is wrong. It is well legal, BUT IT IS NOT MOQ.
ROG:
I think I agree with what you have written here too. Just remember that the
MOQ seeks the highest quality intellectual explanation with the knowledge
that it must be taken provisionally.
Ciao
Rog
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