Jonathan, Rog and others,
Rog wrote:
>In response to Squonk and Gerhard and the others that squeel with glee at a
>chance to align with the sentiments of terrorists and to criticize the
Great
>Satan as she burns ...
Rog, I can understand Jonathans attack on me, but I can not see any reason
for you writing this. I regard you statement as outrageous, and have
problems keeping inside the etiquette in this reply. My e-mail of 13 Sept
did not squeel with glee. My e-mail of 17 Sept stated that I would very much
like to knock Bin Laden out of the game, but I fear the martyr effect if he
is killed. I also included a critique of the Israel actions during the
global mourning after the WTC incident. My e-mail of 19 Sept explained a
hypothesis of how to use MoQ in order to analyse the conflict development.
My e-mail of 20 Sept is an apology for bringing the Israel / Palestine
conflict into this.
Please tell me where I did squeel with glee, have sentiments of terrorists,
when I criticised America and when I called America the Great Satan.
If being afraid of the martyr effect qualifies for having sentiments for a
terrorist, I know when I wrote about that, but I do not agree that it
qualifies.
Jonathan wrote:
>It wasn't really out of nowhere. Gerhard's attack on Israel was mean and
>hypocritical, and my attack on Norway's shameful past was aimed at Gerhard
>personally to expose his hypocrisy.
There are many way to look at the history, and here comes mine:
Vidkun Quisling, the "fürer" of the Norwegian nazi party in 1933 +, asked
Germany to invade Norway when the WWII started. When Germany invaded Norway,
he proclaimed himself Prime Minister of Norway and Hitler accepted this, but
in fact Quisling had very little influence and Norway was ruled by the
German Terboven.
Prior to the German invasion of Norway, Vidkun Quisling's party got 5% of
the votes.
After the WWII, Vidkun Quisling was for obvious reasons arrested, sentenced
to death and executed.
The web-page you refer to state that "The Norwegian underground succeeded in
smuggling 900 Jews across the Swedish border to safety."
I don't think that Norway can claim to be without responsibility for the
actions of the German controlled government that ruled Norway during the
war, but you are definitely stretching the facts very long when you expect
me to be shameful for our past. I'm proud that Norwegians managed to smuggle
900 Jews away from the Nazi's, and proud that only 5% of the Norwegian
population voted for the Nazi's, and I am shameful for what the 5% did. I
also think Norway would have been invaded even if we did not have a Nazi
party.
Jonathan also wrote:
>There are so many kinds of problem
>people like Gerhard around, but the ones who go around posing as moralists
>are the worst. Cost-free morals. Full of ways for others to improve without
>any expense to themselves. There's an ego thing in there, too. They use
>morals to make someone else look inferior and that way look better
>themselves. It doesn't matter what the moral code is-- religious morals,
>political morals, racist morals, capitalist morals, feminist morals, hippie
>morals -- they're all the same. The moral codes change but the meanness and
>the egotism stay the same.
So you give me two choices, support the Israelis killing of Palestine's (and
the Palestine's killing of Jews, if you where a Palestine instead of a Jew),
or be full of hypocrisy, cost-free morals, mean and selfish.
In that case, I will accept to be a problem guy (and all the other stuff).
I'm not sure how you can state without doubt that RMP would agree in your
analysis. I hope he would disagree, but I do not know for sure. Why is that
I fall into this cost-free moralistic thing when I say anything about
something outside the borders of Norway. Does the part of Lila that you
mention forbid us to say anything about moral questions that we are not
directly involved in. In that case I think you added one more hypocritical
act of RMP on Platt's list, because he is messing around in many other moral
problems than his own.
Gerhard
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