Hello Bo,
As something of an admirer of yours, please do not feel i am going to be in
any way offhand with your ideas?
Your ideas deserve respect IMHO.
In a message dated 11/22/01 10:16:05 AM GMT Standard Time, skutvik@online.no
writes:
<< OK Lawry, this prospect is what gives the MoQ its enormous
attraction/fascination..for me at least. I know that Pirsig doesn't
speak about any such development, but we must be allowed to
explore the Q "waters" to see where it may lead. I may have erred
into some tributary dead end, but till now it looks like the "source
of the Nile."
It springs from my so-called SOLAQI idea (subject/object logic as
quality's intellect). With the condition that SOM is Intellect added
to Pirsig's thesis that the MoQ is to replace SOM ... the Quality
idea is an intellectual pattern that can't "stand living at home" any
longer.
>>
May i say a few things about your SOLAQI if i may?
1. Subject/Object Logic As Quality Intellect.
This is an intriguing idea, but i am not convinced?
The origin of the term, Logic is from the Greek Logos or 'to give an account.'
The account is to be of a things 'essence' or 'what it is to be' a thing.
The thing in question could be almost any thing separated in some respect
from its surroundings. i.e. categorised.
Now that is SOM would you agree?
So far so good.
2. The more recent use of the term Logic has developed from mathematics.
Once it was understood that symbols could replace numbers and geometry's, we
had what one may call a meta-geomathmatico language of sorts?
But a language non the less?
I feel it is fair enough to say that any language is an Intellectual pattern
of value, and one that has its roots in the social level?
OK.
3. The rational basis for language is not necessarily logical.
Irrational numbers, for example, were thought to be rather special, as 'no
account' or 'logos' could be given for them.
These numbers occur naturally, and take the form of ratios.
Now i should like to contend, as a precursor to an essay i hope to submit to
the forum very soon, that ratios are not good in themselves, but are, as
Pirsig may support, the product of Quality.
Quality creates ratios.
The SOM logic or account of reality is fraught with that which is irrational
also.
Even binary systems are prone to Mu states which cannot be accounted for by
the binary language itself?
To conclude:
SOM is a high quality reality with its own language(s)
MOQ tells us this is so, but once stated is itself a higher quality reality
with its own language(s)
The new languages of MOQ are value based and 'join' that which SOM put
'asunder.'
SOM has produced languages that have found uses.
But they are one facet only of intellect.
The MOQ isn't leaving home, It's buying the house.
In this way we can value SOm languages for their utility; but in so far as
the house is under new management, we are moving back to the time before SOM
squatted?
All the best,
Squonk. :-)
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