Hello everybody
I am new in this forum, and my english-spelling could have been much better,
but please feel free to correct me if you get to irritated. I am from Denmark,
Aarhus, 28 years old, and I study media-science and danish language for a few
months moore, then I am done with my thesis and can leave university. I am
writing about how the language functions in youth-radio-satire. I have a
daughter (5 years old) and a great relationship and first of all friendship
with my man; a "ship" which is 13 years old.
I read Pirsigs books almost every day, and I find great comfort in his
attitude and feel a lot of sympathy for his motives. I also admire him for his
courage, a gift that I unfortunately lack a good deal off. I would definately
be put in the Hufflepuff-house, if I was a witch and a member of the Harry
Potter-universe!
I want to reply to what kind of value Christianity has given to our society.
Back in "gymnasium" (danish word for high school) I wrote about the churchs
impact on the "woman-picture" in Denmark from 1100 to 1400. The impact was not
negative, which was my first impresion, but very positive, because it ended
the tradition of a man having several wifes and not having any obligations to
them. Or the women not having any rights. At all. The church made several laws
that gave women very basic rights as having a buisness and being able to
enherite their husband. This was good for society (and women), because
biological patterns (a man (men) can always dominate a woman (women)) was
repressed by social patterns of value (every human has value and therefore
rights...or human is the ultimate goal). Christianity for me is therefore
primarily social values as empathy, care and compasion. Thats what the church
was defending. A weak goal which in that historic context needed a lot of
reassuring and persuasive frames in the battle with biological values: big
churches, many rules, a pope in contact with God.
Thank you for reading, I have to do some work too.
Yours
Ajâja
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>Hi Platt, John B,
>
>Two things:
>1. Platt wrote -
>...Your explanation does
>> indeed make John's reasons for placing a high value on "praxis" much
>> clearer to me. Now it only remains for John to sanction your
>> explanation. If he does, I'm almost persuaded that his pursuit of self-
>> transformation with the help of a guide may work.
>
>My question to John - was I reasonably accurate in my understanding or
>completely off-beam?
>
>2. Platt asked
>> You final sentence is intriquing. Sometime could you expand on what
>> "systematic theology" entails and its relation to the MOQ?
>
>That would indeed take more time than I have at present. But a few quick
>pointers. Going back to my original post to John about the importance of
>story, and how 'truth' is derived from that, systematic theology in a
>Christian context is the intellectual discipline that is intended to distil
>the meaning of the story of Jesus, and to convert it into truths that the
>intellect can grasp and then apply. So it is the religious equivalent of
>metaphysics and ethics and philosophy of mind (in fact, of pretty much all
>of philosophy!). Aquinas is the outstanding example of a systematic
>theologian, but there are more recent ones. I'm currently much excited by
>someone called Hans Urs von Balthasar, who centres his systematic theology
>on the concept of 'glory', which I think is very close to what I was
>stumbling towards in my use of the word 'aesthetic'.
>
>As for its relation to the MoQ, I would say that just as a metaphysics has
>to be renewed over time, so too does a systematic theology. For example,
>medieval theologians interpreted the story of Jesus using an essentially
>Aristotelian account of the world. If that Aristotelian account of the world
>is rejected, and we embrace a Newtonian/Einsteinian/Pirsigian account, then
>the systematic theologian needs to recast the interpretation of the story.
>The great mistake that many atheists make (eg Richard Dawkins) is to suggest
>that because science undercuts the primarily Thomist account of the world,
>therefore Christianity is false. (Thomist is the word used to describe stuff
>described from Aquinas). Systematic theology is derivative and secondary -
>it might be considered the static latching of the church consciousness. The
>fact that one understanding of the story - the High Medieval Latin account -
>is now discounted and inappropriate does not by any means imply that the
>fundamental story is also false.
>
>Of course, the original accounts already contained some systematic theology,
>especially the gospel of John. But then, because I tend to be on the
>"Catholic" side of things, I see the foundation as being the community
>rather than the book, and the community is perfectly at liberty to change
>its understandings over time.
>
>Hope that's useful.
>
>Sam
>
>
>
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