Re: MD How to know what to do?

From: Elizaphanian (Elizaphanian@btinternet.com)
Date: Sun Dec 09 2001 - 22:52:43 GMT


Angus - I found this post of yours very intriguing. Could you say a bit more
about Nietzche and bad drama, and perhaps point me to where he discusses it?

Thanks
Sam

----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus Guschwan" <arshilegorky@yahoo.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 10:01 PM
Subject: MD How to know what to do?

> Hi Wim,
>
> 'How can we know what we should do?'
> 'Seek meaning'
> There's a subtle distinction I need to make in
> equating 'seek meaning' with Dynamic Quality. What's
> the problem? It's my opinion that when we think, we
> use "pictures." A picture can be a freeze frame of
> events or just a memory. To think is to use logic, and
> logic needs static objects to operate on. So, to 'seek
> meaning' through 'thinking' means we have to use
> static objects. And there's a problem with that. What
> is it? The pictures we create, the memories, ALWAYS
> contain defects of some sort. So, when we DECIDE what
> to do, we make the MISTAKE of basing it on PICTURES
> and pictures are inaccurate. To 'seek meaning' in this
> context is ERRANT. In ADDITION, PICTURES are pliable,
> and a person can change the 'meaning' of the pictures
> to conform to his own 'drama', his own meaning.
>
> I've made so many errors in my life based on feeding
> the drama that I adopted to give my life meaning. So
> I've worked hard to distinguish between when I am
> feeding my lie and when I am being authentic. So how
> do I know what to do now? Well, if PICTURES are
> involved, then I usually don't trust it. I have
> learned to "hear" the dynamic voice in my body and I
> have to learn to trust that. I sometimes fail and I
> follow my old picture oriented drama. But WHEN I do
> follow my dynamic voice, the results are phenomenal.
>
> So I don't think you have to wait to find out if you
> acted right. Here is an example: I had 2 events to go
> to one night: one event was old friends who feed my
> old lie and the other event was Jane Siberry concert.
> I fought with the decision 'what to do?' I finally
> listened to my dynamic voice and went to the Jane
> Siberry concert. I was late, so the lady GAVE me a $25
> ticket for free. That was proof right there that it
> was the thing to do.
>
> So I think you have to be careful with SEEK MEANING.
> There is that BAD DRAMA that we all have (Nietzsche
> went into depth about this). Seeking meaning in that
> drama is bad (or lower quality). But seeking meaning
> in a dynamic drama of your life is good (or better).
> How to know the voice? It's a struggle everyday to
> tune into it. So that's my reappraised answer. Good
> question. Makes me think. And fight.
>
> Angus
>
> > I summarized my metaphysics 27/11 14:09 as:
> > "we experience (epistemology) quality (ontology) and
> > seek Meaning
> > (meta-ethics)."
> > I summarized Pirsig's MoQ as: "we experience quality
> > and only
> > history will show whether we chose to be a savior or
> > a
> > degenerate. In other words: Pirsig's answer to 'How
> > can we know
> > what we should do?' is 'You can't'."
>
>
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