Hello John, Rog and moqers
John you wrote;
Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:54:07 +1000
What do the patterns of higher quality have that those of destruction,
decay and disorder don't?" (That is to me the fundamental question arising
out of
the MOQ. I have lots of thoughts, but none conclusive yet. What do you
guys
think?)
To you John;
If the question is even valid;
Let me first start of by saying that the minute, no the second I read this
question what came to me was....... nothing! Absolutely nothing, I couldn't
back it up but I was surprised to read your answer John(Ken?). I love it!
Not only because it feels so natural to me but it seems to finally give the
''pragmatic'' perspective it deserves. Thank you! One little question; what
in a perspective does and what in a perspective does not change in these
stages of Wilber you mention? Is there some sort of classification? What is
the difference between a tree on the rational and centauric level of
personal development? Or are there perceptions that do not change(I wish I
had one of those Wilber books) man I'm confused!
That was the nice part, now the critical, I never have one definitive aswer
and wonder why.
To who made up this question, Rog?
Why do patterns of higher quality are not patterns of decay, destruction and
disorder? A high quality pattern can be destructive, chaotic or
decaying(?)!!!
A few examples;
Decay;
When it is true(I actually wonder why I use the word true so much, why even
care) that high quality patterns differ from low quality patterns by means
that they survive(which I think is not necesarry for backing up my argument,
it still stands if it just differs in the way that it is decaying) then a
tree is clearly a really ''low-high quality ambivelancy'' of the first order
isn't it? it survives while it decays every year, it needs to!
Disorder;
Disorder is not the contrary of high quality, it is creativity, when there
is no disorder there is no creativity and no high or low quality(bluntly
put)and no freedom. Ok arguments; This might sound a bit uncredential but
credentials are for people who have nothing original to offer so here I go;
by research from Bahlmann(Erasmus university, The Netherlands) and
Meesters(Alons & partners0 who did research on innovative management
discovered the following characteristics of organisations which are
chaotically oriented in crisis situations;
1. In the organisations there is an atmosphere that is characterised by a
collective interest in the generic strategy
2. Top mangament determines processes, but not alone!
3. Structure is simple, autonomy is highly evolved.
4. Organiz(s)ational culture is complex, still chaotic, and allows for
criticism and discussion
5. The organisation redefine their relationships and see their value
Not very bad eh, even high quality!
Organisations(cultures) tend to be closed systems, it's a ''status
naturalis'' or maybe just a habit I don't know but disorder in some way
seems to go beyond this closed systems. It offers more ways to integrate
strategy and identity, need more thought on this how this would be
explained in psychology. It's about integrating who you are and what you
want I'm not there yet, can't get rid of this "'I'' thang.
Destructive,
 Destroying germs
 ''Destroying'' totalitaritan governments
 Destroying dogmatic ideas
 ..............
If ''i'' missed something ''i'm'' sorry, ''I'' often feel like a beautiful
donkey! There it comes.......
Groeten Davor
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