Zykaine and All.
Welcome. I want to return to your first message on the emotion
issue:
> How can someone distinguish between emotion and quality in
> experience? Is there a subjective difference between DQ and emotion?
> Help me out please. If a difference can't be discerned then who's to
> say DQ exists?
You have received many responses of which I liked Roger's the
best as he points to the obvious: That the entire static sequence is
out of the DQ "sea" and emotions could hardly play any role in the
forming of the material universe ...and of life in it. Emotions may be
perception of value, but rather that of SOCIAL value in my opinion
because it fits so eminently with how Pirsig describes the workings
of the MoQ.
In its time - to compress the unending variety of patterns that any
level may contain - I tried to reduce them to the simplest possible
"expression" and came up with the following:
Interaction - Sensation - Emotion - Reason
(inorganic) (biological) (social) (intellectual)
Right now I will only speak about the two upper ones.
What fits better as the social "glue" than emotions? The feeling of
belonging or of being rejected (love/hate) is the most powerful
"tool". The latter can actually kill and underpins the MoQ tenet that
the upper level overrides the lower (Society overrides Life) Negative
or positive emotions tie the individuals together in immensely
strong bonds.
Bonds which are only broken by REASON, and the struggle
between social and intellectualthe two is behind most of the
conflicts of the last century (I would say millennium) according to
Pirsig. He sees WWI as the turning point when Intellect came to
the fore in Europe/America, and WW2 as social value's "last
stand". The on-going Islamic effort makes sense only by the MoQ.
The Western culture is now anchored in the Intellectual outlook and
the Islamic still in the Social, yet, according to the MoQ, Reason is
out of Emotions (Intellect out of Society) and a threat to society
immediately sends all of us scudding to the social level. Suddenly
it's no longer the reasonable on-this-and-on-the-other-hand, but US
vs THEM.
Can anyone stand more Sep.11stuff? Shortly after the terror
attacks TIME magazine brought an essay - I don't remember it's
exact title, but it was something to the effect of "Let's hate for a
while". See, the enormous need for a respite from reason for the
firmer stance of emotions, but the message was also that emotion
is no place to stay permanently. Now there are those who find this
intellect vs society talk discriminating, as if Muhammadans are of a
lower species, but Q-Intellect has nothing to do with intelligence,
they are as able to perceive intellectual value as anyone else (and
Western man as ready to perceive social value) but that culture is
in social mode.
John B's response was - as usual - complete nonsense from a
MoQ p.o.v, he has obviously made it a principle of not
understanding. Give me Struan at any time.
Bo
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