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one flew east (good-adj) and one flew west (good-noun) and the Indian flew
over the cuckoo's nest.
Hey John,
> Thanks for your kind response. Like yourself, I've found that the forum
>can often be a cold place to those who suggest that Pirsig might, may have,
>possibly, maybe, could have, conceivably, for some reason, gotten something
>wrong. This place is sometimes indistinguishable from a fan club (Robert
>Maynard Pirsig: Born - 9/6/28 in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Son of Maynard
>Ernest Pirsig and Harriet Marie Sjobeck. His turns-ons include motorcycles,
>sailing, long walks through the mountains and philosophical discussion by
>campfire light. Turn-offs include Subject-Object Metaphysics, Franz Boas,
>and people who don't understand basic auto-maintenance --- see homepage for
>centerfold).
> We all have seen those here who are incapable of seeing fault in
>Pirsig's metaphysics. And (far less common around these parts) we've seen
>those who seem unwilling to see any good in Pirsig's metaphysics (let's just
>call him... S. Hellier--- No wait, that's far too obvious... How about
>Struan H.). Personally, I find both of those standpoints unreasonably
>extreme.
> I deeply love ZMM. And LILA as well (although less than its
>predecessor). But I can see problems in both. And I've always felt, and so
>often said, that I think this forum would be of much higher Quality if we
>all saw the bad with the good and we confronted the MoQ's shortcomings
>rather than sweeping them under the rug or trying to "dissolve the
>questions" or explain "what Pirsig really meant". We will never mend the
>walls if we don't first admit that they can be breached. We do Pirsig and
>the MoQ a disservice by turning a blind-eye to its faults.
> Thus, if that post was a "hatchet-job"... I scalp because I love.
>
>rick
>
>
>> Hullo Rick,
>>
>> Just a note to say I really appreciated your hatchet job on "Good is a
>> noun." It has clarified some of my long standing discomfort with this
>> particular formulation.
>>
>> I find that when I challenge any of the belief structures that surround
>the
>> MOQ religion, I usually get a deafening silence or accusations of SOM
>> deviant tendencies. I hope you fare better. Of course, there are aspects
>of
>> Pirsig's thought I really appreciate, and most of all I appreciate the
>> encouragement it gives me to attempt to clarify my own thinking as I
>respond
>> to his. Your response is clear and well argued, and deserves to be
>archived
>> somewhere. Perhaps a mini essay for the forum?
>>
>> John B
>>
>>
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