Bo, Andrea , Angus, Platt and DMB, Group.
Bo you said
> Earlier I have claimed that it is possible to see the MoQ as a 5th
> level and S/OM as the 4th. From this it follows that each static
> level has had its era as a "metaphysics" (in the total reality sense),
> but in turn lost its position to the next development. In this view the
> 3rd level fits nicely with David B's radical vision of the social level
> as a hundred thousand years dominant reality of ancient time, still
> around as Jungian archetypes. The 2nd level immense era as "all
> there was" - very much still around - is as obvious as the aeon
> when the first level ruled the earth ...but still the base of existence.
I'm sure you recall Pirsig saying:
> "Metaphysics is not reality. Metaphysics names reality." Lila-pp 63
> "Metaphysics is a restaurant where they give you a thirty-thousand page menu and no food." Lila-pp, 63
And rhetorically I ask, "Where does this "thirty-thousand page menu" of
values reside? Or If we want to find this "thirty-thousand page menu" of
values that "names reality" where within the MoQ system might we look?
Why the intellectual level, of course.
So your balloon of "metaphysics of the levels" floats along with
Pirsigs claim that there is a complete and discrete system of laws or
morals that pertained exclusively to each level. But where it differs,
and goes astray in my opinion, is that all these "metaphysics of levels"
or talking about reality, or talking about values, or theories about
values, are qualities, patterns of value, exclusive to the levels they
talk about.
NoNo, Double No. They are two different things.
The values of the levels are values of the levels (food), the talk about
those values is an intellectural value (menu). And just like this post
(menus) are fallible, (food) just is. And that's the point the pragmatic
tradition has been trying to make for nearly 200 years, to little avail
I might add.
But we have been over this many times before.
3WD
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