3WD , all
I haven't been following this thread too closely, but 3WD's comments
interest me in that what is missing is an ability in all of us to step
outside of " the mythos " we constantly find ourselves a part of. if we do
this , like Phaedrus we flip into the " insane " part of society. It is this
combined social and cultural intellect which we inherit and absorb from the
day we were born.
But as in Lila and the references to the native americans use of peyote to
remove the fog of reality.. therefore removing the intellect from the mythos
and allowing us a glimpse of our reality viewed from outside this mythos....
Reading these now 4 principles, we can concieve of possibilities where we
disagree strongly with any of these 4 tenets, or conversely we may see them
as simple truths, which relate to deeper more fundamental principles
having experienced this many times myself, I can tell you that your
thoughts can become so lucid, you really do feel you are reaching the edge
of conscious understanding, and one more thought and you can drop off the
edge of reality itself.
And until you've experienced this the reality will always be obscured the
thoughts
Rod
on 2/20/02 2:04 PM, 3dwavedave at dlt44@ipa.net wrote:
> Marco, all
>
> As usual, we all seemed to have wandered off the main point of
> discussion which Marco introduced. So before it dies away completely
> I'll make one more stab at a 4th principle.
>
>> Basic principle: Better is Better.
>> 1st Principle: Something is better than Nothing
>> 2nd Principle: Alive is better than Dead
>> 3rd Principle: Together is better than Alone
>
> 4th Principle: Some Qualities are better than Others
>
> At first blush this seems not only to be simplistic, but just plain
> silly. But for better or worse the role of the intellect within this
> system seems to be to uncover and order all qualities, values, or
> morals. And the single underlying "given" with which to do it is this
> one. The process by which this is accomplished is neither simple, fully
> understood, nor assured.
>
> Pirsig
>> The world comes to us in an endless stream of puzzle pieces that we would
>> like
>> to think all fit together somehow, but that in fact never do. pg 102 -
>> Pirsig,
>> Robert M., Lila. An Inquiry Into Morals. New York (Bantam Books) 1991,
>
>> "Thought is not a path to reality. It sets obstacles in that path because
>> when you > try to use thought to approach something that is prior to thought
>> your thinking
>> does not carry you toward that something. It carries you away from it." pg.
>> 73
>
> So that if there is a message to this madness, it is that as good as the
> intellect is, it is still inadequate, still flawed. To help compensate
> for the intellect's fallible nature it is necessary and helpful to make
> sure that we are taking into account the broadest, most dynamic range of
> experiences possible. We all have access to this fuller range of
> experiences but most often discount them. It's just that we,
> individually and collectively, have been so focused, for so long, on the
> intellect that we have lost or not found our abilities to move beyond
> it. And if this is not enough, we regularly revert to baser qualities of
> the lower levels as the focus in our lives.
>
> 3WD
>
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