Bo, Marco, Platt, all
I'm confused. Bo perhaps you can point me to where I said this:
> (to no great surprise as 3WD said :) A "better than" version of this will
> naturally be: OBJECTIVITY IS BETTER THAN SUBJECTIVITY.
I've reread what I wrote in my Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:04:04 -0600 post
where I assume you've taken the "better than" quote from and I find no
reference to objectivity or subjectivity. Nor can I see how what I wrote
can be stretched to that conclusion except through one process which I
have suspected for some time now. In fact my draft folder had a start of
a post dated Sun, 17 Feb 2002 07:17:54 -0600 that addresses this very
issue. It started this way.
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> Bo wrote to start this thread on Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:46:09 +0100
> > The "solipsist" part is irrelevant to this thread and I rename it
> > "MOQ's intellect?".
>
> 3WD
> But is it? Or is it proving to be that way here? I guess I'm just in my
> cantankerous mode so I turned to the dictionary to refresh my memory about
> what "solipsist" or "solipsism" means.
>
> solipsism 1 the theory that the self can be aware of nothing but its own
> experiences or states. 2. the theory that nothing exists or is real but
> the self.
>
> I realize that a skilled logician can make the "airtight" case that
> theory one premise leads directly to the conclusion, theory two, a form
> of idealism. But let's be illogical and reject theory two out of hand
> and focus just on theory one. And further realizing that the MoQ has
> Eastern/Budhist/Zen influences which reguards "self" as fiction lets
> rewrite this theory into a MoQ compliant form.
>
> 1. the theory that an individual, a particular pattern of values, can be
> aware of nothing but its own experiences or states.
>
> Let's say this is the refined MoQ definition of "solipsism."
>
> How in any substantial sense does this vary from the following?
>
> > The Metaphysics of Quality subscribes to what is called empiricism. It claims
> > that all legitimate human knowledge arises from the senses or by thinking
>> about what the senses provide." pg. 113
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This current series of threads started with [Subject: Re: MD BOMOQ or
just MOQ? Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:31:16 EST From: Cwhite6248@aol.com]
Continued in [Subject: RE: MD Bo's MOQ and solipsism Date: Mon, 4 Feb
2002 15:25:32 -0800 (PST) From: Angus Guschwan <arshilegorky@yahoo.com>]
Was further explored in [Subject: MD MOQ and solipsism Date: Mon, 28
Jan 2002 06:44:34 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick van den Berg]
And presently is being re-argued in [MD MOQ's Intellect] and [MD Principles]
Now given that we all have had the common experiences of:
1 Reading both ZMM and Lila.
2 In some way being attracted to the philosophical theories proposed in them.
3.Have sought out and discussed these theories (here and in other
circumstances) with many other people.
4. On this particular issue discussed it, this time for over 2 months
with at least 10 to 15 people participating.
And
4. After all this time, for some of us years, all have interpretations
of these experiences that, while having some things in common, in the
particulars are often vastly different. So different, in fact, that it
is often nearly impossible to understand that each of us is talking
about the same "elephant".
Have we not, or are we not, making a good case for solipsism?
And is this not just what Pirsig is describing below?
> The reason there is a difference between individidual evaluations of quality is
> that although Dynamic Quality is constant, these static patterns are different for
> everyone because each person has a different static pattern of life history. Both
> the Dynamic Quality and the static patterns influence his final judgement. That
> is why their is some uniformity among individual value judgements but not
> complete uniformity." SODV pp 12-13
And if this is the case, What difference does it make?
3WD
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