John
My exposure and understanding of Gestalt is even more limited than it is
to Zen and mysticism, neither of which I have a good grasp of. I seem to
recall being baffled by a book called "Visual Thinking" in some college
design class.
I think our discussions here confirm the following:
> But the subject/object fantasy, far from being a simple 'change of belief system'
> pushover, is the most difficult thing in the world to change. Even experiences
> that give an insight into how it might be without this division are transient, and > do not necessarily make any difference to achieving this transformation.
But what I wonder and have no way of approaching is this:
Is the subject/object fantasy a universal phenomena? Has it, and does it
prevail in non Western cultures? In India or China or Tibet or Japan?
Any insights here?
> This allows for much more complex feedback loops, which explain some of the
> more bizarre aspects of our behaviour.
I'm rereading "Seven Life Lessons of Chaos" by Briggs and Peat and one
of the things that find hard to reconcile between chaos theory and
Pirsig's work is the whole concept of "feedback". Its all well and good
to suggest that it is moral that a higher level dominant, rule, is
morally superior to a lower one but it is not so easy to justify a tiny
shift in value in a lower level upsetting the balance of a higher one.
3WD
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