Re: MD Pirsig on Science

From: Scott R (jse885@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Feb 26 2002 - 20:37:50 GMT


Your initial statement was:

3. each dimension in the universe runs at an equal
>> angle away from all
>> others

Ok, the universe is conventionally deemed (after
Einstein) to have 3 spatial and one temporal
dimension. I think we can ignore the 11-dimensional
string theory business, since that is hardly a proven
theory.

So the first question is: what do you mean by a
dimension running at an angle away from all the
others?

More generally, what IS an angle between two
dimensions? The only angles I know of are the angles
used when we model the universe in a coordinate
system. If that is what you meant, then they can be
any size angles we want. They do not have to be equal
to one another. So presumably you mean something else.
What did you mean?

- Scott

--- Rod <ramrod@madasafish.com> wrote:
> Hi scott
>
> equal means equal, what else could it mean??
>
> But unfortunately you seem to take it from the
> viewpoint of 3 spacial
> dimensions... you cannot do this, if they were
> orthogonal, and I'm not sure
> they are, then how is this a tautology
>
> Rod
>
>
>
>
> on 2/25/02 11:58 PM, Scott R at jse885@yahoo.com
> wrote:
>
> > Rod,
> >
> > But what does "equal" mean in this context? I
> > understand that, say, two right angles are equal,
> but
> > I don't see how that can apply in this case, and
> so
> > what makes this statement "absolute".
> >
> > Or are you saying that each dimension is
> orthogonal to
> > all the others? In that case I would agree, in the
> > sense that you don't have a new dimension unless
> it is
> > orthogonal to the others, but that would just make
> > this a tautology.
> >
> > - Scott
> >
> > --- Rod <ramrod@madasafish.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Scott
> >>
> >> Yes as I understood it assuming time was the 4th
> >> dimension, as Einstein did,
> >> then it runs away at an angle equal to our three
> >> spatial dimensions, but as
> >> we are limited to only " knowing " 3 dimensions
> we
> >> will never be able to
> >> observe this, the same I assume applies to every
> >> dimension up to and
> >> including the eleventh...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rod
> >>
> >> 2/25/02 10:20 PM, Scott R at jse885@yahoo.com
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> 3. each dimension in the universe runs at an
> >> equal
> >>>> angle away from all
> >>>> others
> >>>
> >>> Is the angle at which time runs away from the
> >> others
> >>> the same as that which the three spatial
> >> dimensions
> >>> run away from the other spatial ones? Can't see
> >> that
> >>> it makes sense. In any case, if you're referring
> >> to
> >>> the 3-dimensional coordinate system, you can
> have
> >> any
> >>> angles you want, though some are easier to
> compute
> >>> with than others. But again, I may be
> >>> misunderstanding.
> >>>
> >>> - Scott
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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