Re: MD Chaos/Complexity/MoQ

From: 3dwavedave (dlt44@ipa.net)
Date: Sat Mar 02 2002 - 19:14:41 GMT


Rog, all,

This is a kind of PS my first response to your question:

> > PS -- How would you suggest we reconcile chaos/complexity theory and The MOQ?

I think the answers lie in a morph of that Kennedy quote: "Ask not what
the MoQ can do for the chaos theory, but what the chaos theory can do
for the MoQ." For instance, if we would correlate "Seven Life Lessons
of Chaos" lesson by lesson we could find metaphors or theories which
give insight into the MoQ.

Lesson 1--The Lesson of the Vortex- Being Creative

" A good example of the broad spectrum of chaotic systems is a river. In
the heat of summer, a river runs slowly. It surface appears calm and
serene. Where it encounters a rock, the water parts and flows smoothly
past. But in the spring, after heavy rains, the river has a different
character. .. As the fast flowing river approaches a rock, it swirls and
turns back on itself. Behind the rock a vortex is born and persists in a
highly stable form."

This is one of the best metaphors I have found for describing the
general nature of all MoQ patterns. They are all at once stable and
dynamic.

" A vortex is a distinct and individual entity, and yet it indivisable
from the river that created it. ... In the vortex, a constantly flowing
cell wall separates the inside from the outside. However the wall itself
is both inside and outside. ... The vortex suggests the paradox that the
individual is also the universal:"

This reminds us the MoQ patterns are a discrete part, made up of other
discrete parts, of an indivisable whole. This is something that is
easily lost in the interpretation when focused on moral struggle of
Pirsig's hierarchy of layer dominating layer, all overshadowed by the
dynamic nature of events.

And as you go down the list of lessons each provide useful insights that
are helpful in interpreting the theories buried in the twists and turns
of ZMM and Lila.

Lesson 2--The Lesson of the Subtle Influence-Using Butterfly Power
Lesson 3--The Lesson of Collective Creativity and Renewal-Going with the Flow
Lesson 4--The Lesson about the Simple and Complex-Exploring What's Between
Lesson 5--The Lesson about the Fractal and Reason-Seeing the Art of the World
Lesson 6--The Lesson about the Fractal Curls of Duration-Living within Time
Lesson 7--The Lesson about the Tide of a New Perception-Rejoining the Whole

3WD

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An aside:
Here is another quote that gives possible insight into Phaedrus's insanity.

"Psychiatrist David Shainberg argues that mental illness, which appear
chaotic, is actually the reverse. Mental illness occurs when images of
the self become rigid and closed, restricting an open creative response
to the world"

If you recall the patterns of behavior of Phaedrus as he skims sources
only for the facts supporting his theory, avoiding any that would
question it, and his fixation of the Chairman as a personification of
evil theories that would attack his; the validity of this argument seems evident.

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