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Hey David,
I completely agree with you. Pirsig's many references to William Blake
support that seeing the light and his mystic experiences is more intense then
a simple dissociative state. David the mental picture I get of you is the
doctor in the movie "Altered States" who studies schizophrenia for mystical
reasons.
I am struggling at what the MOQ says about mysticism. I was fascinated by
Pirsig claim that reason a psychiatrist can not distinguish a psychotic from a
mystic is that they can not distinguish patterned and unpatterned reality.
When I read about Pirsig and Jung describing mystical experiences and then
outsiders labeling them as psychotic episodes I get confused at what is really
going on. In helping me clarify how to separate mystic episodes from
psychotic episodes I want you to ask you a couple of questions.
1)Do you think you can overdo the dynamic? Why or why not
2) Which attitude do you approach chaos and why?
a) living on the edge of chaos
b) jumping right in
Mr. Beasley:
>
>I just wanted to point out that if you ever had a mystical experience, you
>would certainly know it. There would be no doubt in your mind. There's
>nothing subtle about it. Its not about moonlit scenes or long walks on the
>beach. Its the kind of thing that rips your head off. I don't mean to
>suggest that other kinds of experiences are unimportant or meaningless. I'm
>just saying that you should eat some peyote and then return here to eat your
>words. Integrating Mysticism into our world view is the main thrust of the
>MOQ. Without any kind of personal mystical experience... well, the MOQ won't
>exactly sing for you.
>Respectfully,
>DMB
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