stephen,
pirsig is definitely trying to establish a new metaphysics *with a mystical
centre - DQ*. DQ is the absence of all static patterns; is mystical; is
ultimately ineffable etc etc. to think otherwise is to stay in SOM - the
land where the abstract (ideas, theories) dominates the real (quality,
experience).
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Paul <thracianbard@worldnet.att.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: MD Seeing the Light
> Dear colleagues,
>
> I would feel more comfortable eliminating the words "mystic" or
"mystical". It
> seems, IMHO, that what Pirsig and we are speaking of are the experiences
of
> seeing without the filters of societal programming, nothing more. These
are
> the miracles of everyday life that we so seldom see merely because we have
> been taught from an early age to wear lenses of limited reason.
>
> The Bard
>
> David Buchanan wrote:
>
> > Erin says...
> > Okay the part that was confusing me was that when Pirisg would say "The
> > mystical experience is the abandonment of ALL static patterns"
> > but also the message that you can overdo the dynamic. I couldn't
resolve
> > how
> > ALL static patterns are dissolved without overdoing the dynamic.
> > So you are saying the amount of time static patterns are dissolved
> > distinguishes whether you overdo it or not. You really think the mystic
> > would
> > die if he stayed too long?
> >
> > DMB
> > Yea, from starvation - probably in a nuthouse. I don't thing such a
thing
> > can be sustained for long, but even if it could, one can't functon
without
> > returning to the static world.
> >
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