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It's actually green/YELLOW distinctions.... not green blue (how did I miss
that?).....
ERIN: maybe it was cut out as unreal
RICK
Teaching a Natchez to see the distinction would entail getting him to 'let
go' of his cultural definitions of what is real and unreal. I believe
Pirsig suggests that if this can be done, the difference would appear the
same way if a westerner 'let go' of his cultural definition of what is real
and unreal D-light would appear. To read Pirsig as if he means what YOU say
he means would require a good deal of rewriting, like so:
PIRSIG 'REWRITTEN'---
The *Dharmakaya* light. That was huge area of human experience [ignored
because of] cultural filtering.... But he had [payed attention to] it again
on Lila tonight and he had [payed attention to] it very strongly back in
Kingston.... But nobody [notices] it because the cultural definition of what
is real and what is unreal [prevents recognition of] the *Dharmakaya* light
from 20th century American "reality" just as surely as time is [unrecognized
in] Hopi reality, and green-yellow differences [are ignored by] the
Natchez.... In a Metaphysics of Quality, however, this light is important
because it often [is recognized in association] with Dynamic Quality...
When there is a letting go of static patterns the light [is
recognized].....etc,etc.
ERIN: YOU SEE RICK I AM NOT SAYING WHAT YOU HAVE IN PARENTHESES. YOUR MODEL IS
A BOTTOM-UP MODEL. NOW IMAGINE THAT SOME "CUTTING OFF" IS BEING DONE FROM THE
TOP-DOWN.
>
> ERIN
>> Why I don't agree with your perception of perception is because you are
>> setting it up as stages with perception is just a conversion stage. I
>think
>> percpetion is the "interface" between cognition and sensation.
>> If vision is constructed you can't just put a filter up and think of it as
>the
>> perception part. It is a more "active" process.
RICK:>I think Pirsig is saying that cultural definitions of what is real and
>unreal (somehow) operate post-sensation and pre-cognition.
ERIN: THE KEY WORD BEING "SOMEHOW".
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH PIAGET'S ASSIMILIATION AND ACCOMODATION?
IF A KID SEES A ZEBRA AND THINKS "HORSE" (ASSIMILIATION). THEN SOMEBODY
POINTS OUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ZEBRA AND HORSE. THE KID CAN EITHER 1) STILL
SEE HORSE 2) OR THE PATTERN OF THINKING IS REORGANIZED AND A COGNITION WAS
ACCOMODATED. THUS HE THEN SEES A "ZEBRA"
NOW THE SOMEHOW IS JUST A LIGHT-DIGITAL CONVERSION BECAUSE WHETHER IT
ASSIMILATES OR ACCOMODATES DEPENDS ON THE READINESS OF THE KID (OR HIS
COGNITION. SO WHEN YOU INTERPRET "CUT OFF" IT SEEMS LIKE A PASSIVE PROCESS
BUT TO ME THE "CUT OFF" IS MORE ACTIVE (AND INCONSISTENT).
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