RE: MD Is Society Making Progress?

From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Mon Mar 11 2002 - 01:23:41 GMT


Horse and everyone else:

Thanks for dropping in. Its a rare treat to hear from you.

Horse said...
But David, surely you must understand that the USA sees all the above things
you
mention as a means of promoting and fostering Freedom and Democracy in the
same
way that it intends to apply exorbitant tariffs to imported steel in order
to ensure a free
market. Surely you couldn't think that the USA's actions are purely for its
own political,
military and economic benefit? Could You!!!!!?? That would be unamerican and

downright cynical!

DMB...
Clearly, you're being sarcastic. It shines through even in print. But I'll
answer you seriously anyway. I think the list of actions is what's cynical
and unAmerican. And believe it or not, I have no problem with nations
seeking their own interest. The problem is that these kinds of actions don't
serve the USA's interests. They're too short sighted to be effective in the
long run. Not to mention the fact that they contradict our own principles
and ideals, which only makes us look hypocritical and cruel.

Once again I'll refer to that Pirsigian battle between the 3rd and 4th
level. I see the attitude behind these actions in the author's description
of the Giant & Victorians...

"When societies and cultures and cities are seen not as inventions of "man"
but as higher organism than biological man, the phenomena of war and genocie
and all the other forms of human exploitation become more intelligible.
..the giant,.. doesn't mind losing a few bodies to protect his greater
interests." P218

"The statement, the only good Indian is a dead Indian, was a Victorian
statemet. The idea of extermination of all Indians was not common before the
19th century. Victorians wanted to destroy "inferior" societies because
inferior societies were a form of evil. Colonialism, which before that time
was an ecomonic opportunity, became with the Victorians a moral course, a
"white man's burden" to spread their social patterns and thus virtue
throughout the world." "And so this social base which had no intellectual
meaning and no biological purpose slowly and helplessly driged toward its
own stupid self-destruction: toward the senseless murder of millions of its
own children on the battlefields of WWI." P268-9

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