Hi Risky
I didn't mean to come across as pessimistic, but then I can't help the way
people interpret what I say..... but I do agree with you on all of the
points you have made, and made well!!.
You are correct to point out that we are progressing along many, many paths,
all of which is good, but I was trying to get at a different kind of
progress, one of the mind, one of values, more of an inward personal
progress ( or regress to the idea of ARETE), which will lead to a massive
restructuring of society and the values there in.
In any society there will always be progress of one sort or another, and
this should not in any way be diminished, I just happen to believe that
there is a greater kind of progress, one which we can nurture into being.
Optimistically yours
Rod
on 16/3/02 2:15 pm, RISKYBIZ9@aol.com at RISKYBIZ9@aol.com wrote:
> To: Rod, Erin, Rick and Wim,
>
> Despite Rod's recent pessimism, I would like to suggest that we can gain a
> lot on the PROGRESS issue by looking at those narraow areas that we all agree
> have progressed over a long and relatively consistent basis. In many cases,
> I think we will find that it isn't that we were unable to make progress, it
> is that progress has not been widespread enough or that progress has led to
> new problems along another dimension. Below are some comments that I believe
> are accurate regarding PROGRESS:
> 1) Science has consistently progressed in a well defined area of knowledge.
> 2) Technology (applied science) has progressed dramatically in the past 300
> years
> 3) The field of Medicine has progressed steadily for 200 years or so
> 4) Worldwide health, wealth, lifespan, nutrition and education have
> progressed for about 100 years (the advance has been fastest in poorest
> countries)
> 5) We have steadily progressed in our ability to sustain larger and larger
> numbers of people off a given area of land (This one has been progressing for
> 10,000 years)
>
> My point is that progress is possible, and the best way to learn about
> progress is to study what progressive dimensions have and compare and
> contrast it to what non-progressive dimensions don't have. This thread -- as
> well as the December thread on the path to higher quality -- is related to
> learning about progress. And though the proof may be a hundred years in the
> future, it doesn't mean that we can't get better and better at choosing paths
> that are more likely to lead to progress and to avoid those paths virtually
> gauranteed to lead to failure.
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