>===== Original Message From moq_discuss@moq.org =====
>Hi Erin!
>
>ERIN:
>Subliminal messages is a different topic then advertising. The commercials
>would have to flash so quickly that we didn't see them to discuss that. This
>
>is just simple plain old advertising I was talking about. If it doesn't work
>
>then why bother spending so much money on it?
>
>RISKY:
>So, the conspiracy that Gav and David are getting worked up about is what we
>know of as ADVERTISING?
ERIN: I never thought of it as a conspiracy to tell you the truth--it is just
being aware of the environment that I am living in.
I am a consumer in a capitalist society and I am okay with that but I found
the topic of how advertising plays on the need to express your Self
interesting.
Any program that discusses the topic doesn't have to be construed as
anti-capitalist......maybe it justs want informed consumers. (the horror)
As for advertising Robbins expressed it the best "the more advertising I see
the less I want to buy."
>ERIN:
>I think a major complaint is that there is not enough separation
>between corporate America and American government.
>I wanted to ask about people's opinion about how much influence corporate
>America REALLY has in the government.
>
>Here is one opinion. It seemed a little extreme but it is hard for me to
>tell.
>
>Corporations that have donated at least $500,000 to both Gore and Bush
>Now, folks, who do you think will win the election? Or does it really matter
>a
>damn
>
>R:
>PLEASE read the FEDERALIST PAPERS. Madison addressed this issue over 200
>years ago. At least be familiar with his idea and the logic behind it and
>the alternatives to it before you trash it. I would be happy to discuss it.
E: Ummm asking people how much influence does coporate America have in
government is trashing Madison's Federalist Papers to you? Please refer to
what part of the papers you feel I have trashed by asking that question.
I was interested in this because when Wilber reports the calcualtions done by
Harter reducing the world population into a 100 pop village there was a
statistic that surprised me. "6 people would possess 59% of the world's
wealth, and all 6 would be from the United States"
Then reading Rod's post
One logical conclusion of Curtis's argument is that business will eventually
take over the functions of government, since it is much better, more
effective, at simply satisfying people's desires than any politician ever
was. This is something that Bernays predicted. In an interview when he was
100, the father of public relations allowed that he may have created
something of a monster.
Then reading Roshkoff
"The way kids express who they are today, and the way we are supposed to vote
in a libertarian universe, is with our dollars, right? But we can never really
express who we are through consumption. It's a pity that it's the main option
left to us. It's not empowerment at all. It's the power to be a consumer.
Then I asked my question that supposedly "trashed Madison"
The only response I got was that it has a lot of influence once they are
elected.
To be end on a melodramatic note I revise Lisa Simpson..
"And this will be one world, under the dollar, with liberty and
justice for coporate America"
Maybe coporate America may or may not be evil but what I was trying to figure
out was if there was really a democracy. Sorry if this inquiry offends you in
anway.
Erin
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