Re: MD Emotions and the MOQ

From: Elizaphanian (Elizaphanian@btinternet.com)
Date: Mon Mar 25 2002 - 15:51:41 GMT


Hi Bo,

A while back (Jan 25) you responded to something I wrote:

> Now SAM presented a question:
>
> > In your schema, how would you describe or categorise the choosing
> > between rational alternatives? In other words, is it a rational
> > process (Mind) or is it an emotional process (social level)?
> > As I understand it, such decisions are not made on rational grounds,
> > but are based upon an educated emotional repertoire that is also the
> > basis of the self (see my post - from last September (?) I think -
> > about Antonio Damasio). Which has the corollary that I agree with what
> > you said elsewhere in your post, "Reason - or the intellectual level -
> > is emotions refined". That seems right to me.
>
> Hi Sam. Glad to hear that you find this - partly - in accordance with
> your own ideas and Damasio's findings. I have read his "Descartes'
> Error" and find it most convincing, but don't you agree that
> Damasio is "somish" to the extent that he is out to prove that if our
> decisions are ...based upon an educated emotional repertoire
> ...then here is no real reason?. Like Bowlby is out to prove that if a
> monkey's attachment to a parent is based on instincts there are no
> real emotions. Always the either/or of SOM. However I think you
> clearly see the MoQ idea and that reason's emotional base is such
> a solid proof of the moqian tenet that Q-intellect is "out of" Q-
> society.

I'm not sure, but I have a feeling that you didn't actually answer my
original question!! (Damasio may well be som-ish.) But I would be very
interested to hear your take on *how* the emotions work out in the
intellectual level. Your last sentence, in particular, I would like to
explore much more (I very much agree with it).

BTW I too am finally getting a grip on your SOLAQI idea. My worries about it
centre upon the understanding of language implicit in it (to do with the
role of nouns etc). Would it be possible to write a little bit about how
language kicks off the Intellectual level, according to your understanding
(or point me to somewhere where you've already done so)? I would like to
explore that with you also.

Thanks.
Sam

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