JB>Your first sentence was "Okay I admit that I have only read 1 Wilber book
>and he is on my list to read but I just want to comment on his ideas (excuse
>me if I misinterpreted them)." I have no problem with fair comment, but
>what you offer went far beyond that. It was a prejudiced mockery of an
>author who deserves better.
ERIN: Well it wasn't an attack. I usually like all your Wilber quotes. I
wouldn't have him on my to read list if I didn't.
Maybe it was a little kick at his pedastal though...he is not my moral
authority
JB> What is more puzzling to me is that neither in what I said or in
>what I quoted of Wilber is there any statement that Wilber thinks he is myth
>free. This is simply your invention.
ERIN: Okay maybe I misinterpreted- I am not completely clear on the pre/trans
fallacy but here it is
If this was all my gripe with the mediators of myth, it would not be such a
big deal. But there is a deeper issue. To quote Wilber again, "Campbell
commits the classic pre/trans fallacy. Since the prerational realms are
definitely mythological, then Campbell wants to call the transrational
realms "mythological" as well, since they too are nonrational". (SES p 239)
"Campbell's dual definitions actually undo each other, and point instead to
the inexorable conclusion: beyond mythology is reason, and beyond both is
Spirit." (p 242)
ERIN: he is saying the transrational realms myth free right? I don't agree
with his conclusion of Campbell's conclusion. Mythological does not equal
nonrational.
>You also say "I know there is a deep horror of the green meme", and refer
>again to this later. I challenge you on your use of the word "know" here.
>You admit to reading only one book of Wilber's. You completely distort what
>he has to say. Then you claim to "know" his "deep horror" of the green meme,
>which any fair reading of Wilber would find laughable.
The one book I read of his (his most recent) had an oversimplified summary of
postmodernism in my opinion. Why I described it as "horror" had more to do
with behavior on this site because there seems to be a strong interest whether
an idea is from a postmodernist or not. To me the idea shouldn't be judged by
looking at the color of the name tag of the author--let the ideas speak for
themselves.
If I were a postmodern writer I would probably not announce it as it seems
like name tags (moral authority tags?) seems to be the basis an opinion
having judged as quality.
What if Pirsig was a postmodernist.....
>
>What seems to drive your pique, so far as I can tell, is that Wilber, and I,
>have some uncomplimentary things to say about postmodernism, (as well as
>accepting much that is valid in it). If that is your issue, come out and say
>so, and put your case in reply.
>
ERIN: Actually the problem I have is nobody will say uncomplimentary things
about postmodernism even with repeated requests. I WANT to hear a critique of
postmodernism ...but not a waterdown distorted version of it.
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