Hi Nargess and Lawry,
NARGESS:
Please tell me where of the muslims' texbook it was said that "an other
religious groups are evil and they must be killed"? It is very important
because I have read Holy Qoran and I am certain that it was not
saidthere.Please determine the place of it and if you have not read that
,please search and be certain about the truth.
LAWRY:
Rest assured: in none of its parts does the Quran state or imply that 'other
religious groups are evil and must be killed'. This is just another of
Roger's flights of fancy when it comes to Islam, the Middle East, and
Palestinians and Israelis. My guess is that he was amusing himself through
provocation, because a couple of days later, he actually posted something on
a Palestinian/Israeli solution that was fairly thoughtful, incongruent with
his 'test questions', and offered a step in the right direction.
Isn't there something in the Quran about being patient and teaching the
ignorant?
ROG
This quote was lifted from a post where I listed out what I have read in the
media and where I specifically asked for constructive feedback that would
allow me to correct for any misinformation. To accuse me of "flights of
fancy," ignorance, and disregard for the truth is odd considering the
context. Furthermore, what I wrote a few days later was fully congruent with
the statements in the test.
As for the "fact" in question, I never said anything about the Quran. The
Palestinian textbooks in question are school books. I have gotten this from
a number of sources, which I can forward. This of course doesn't make it
true, though. Do you happen to have any evidence that it is not true? If
so, please forward that my way. Also, please feel free to correct my
knowledge on any of the other points -- I attached them all below. In the
absence of counter-arguments, I do indeed arrive at the conclusion that:
1) The Palestinians and Israelis are both victims or pawns in a struggle to
destroy Israel
2) The future cannot brighten for either side until the Palestinians
animosity and hatred and shame is at least offset by some glimmer of hope
3) Millions will most likely die on both sides if solutions aren't taken
immediately
Rog
> To: Everyone
> From: Rog
>
> Rod, Gav, Rasheed and others are dismissing views that contradict their own
>
> as products of brainwashing, biased media, Orwellian distortion, etc. At
> first I thought they were just adopting one of David's little social-level,
>
> rhetorical tricks of winning the argument by undermining their opponents'
> credibility. But on further thought, how can I be sure that they aren't
> right? I am no Middle East expert. Perhaps I am making a decision based
> upon
> incorrect and biased facts. So, to test this, I thought I should lay out
> the
> supposed facts that I am acting upon, giving them a chance to let me know
> where they disagree.
>
> To accomplish this, I wrote up a little test that shows what I believe to
> be
> the case. I ask questions like in high school and then offer a believed
> correct and an incorrect answer. In every case, the ! answer in **'s is the
>
> one I BELIEVE is true. If I am wrong, please help me see where.
>
> 1. Which people cheered on the streets on 9/11?
> a) Israelies
> b) *Palestinians*
>
> 2. Who, in 2000, refused an offer to give the Palestinians 97% of the west
> bank -- in a contiguous area -- shared control of Jerusalem, a capitol in
> Jerusalem, and the right for Palestinians refugees everywhere to return to
> the new homeland?
> a) *Arafat*
> b) Barak
>
> 3. True or false -- Palestine was a British mandate given to Jews and
> Palestinian Arabs after WWI from the remnants of the Turkish Empire?
> a) *true*
> b) false
>
> 4. 80% of Palestinian land is in which country?
> a) *Jordan*
> b) Israel
>
> 5. Prior to Israeli occupation, the West Bank and Gaza Strip were
> controlled
> by..
> a) The free state of Palestine
> b) *Jordan and Egypt*
>
> 6. Israel occupied these two areas because...
> a) They attacked peaceful arab neighbors in a land gr! ab
> b) *They captured it in a battle while defending themse! lves from
> attempted
> arab annihilation*
>
> 7. Which people have textbooks teaching their children that another
> religious
> group is evil and must be killed?
> a) Israelis
> b) *Palestinians*
>
> 8. Whose government-run newspaper ran a headline praising Adolph Eichman
> with
> "The Honor of Killing 6 Million" people?
> a) America's
> b) *Saudi Arabia's*
>
> 9. Which side of the struggle pays $25 to $50K to the families of suicide
> bombers that kill mothers and children?
> a) Jews
> b) *Arabs*
>
> 10. A representative of which country boasted that the final solution to
> the
> middle east problem was in getting nuclear weapons?
> a) Israel
> b) *Iran*
>
> 11. Whose covenants of 1968 specifically state that "the establishment of
> Israel is fundamentally null and void" and that it "is a national
> duty....to
> purge the Zionist presence."?
> a) *Palestine's*
> b) France's
>
> 12. Whose geography maps in school don't show Israel?
> a) *Pal! estinians'*
> b) Turkey's
>
> 13. Palestinians are denied employment, healthcare and government services
> in...
> a) Israeli occupied territories
> b) *Lebanon*
>
> 14. Who ethnically cleansed (deported) hundreds of thousands of
> Palestinians
> about a decade ago?
> a) *Kuwait*
> b) Israel
>
> 15. Who provides sanctuary and support for some of the most wanted
> terrorists
> and suicide bombers and also celebrates murderous martyrdom?
> a) Clinton
> b) *Arafat*
>
> Please correct my test above, and help me become aware of my
> indoctrination.
> I can't progress until I learn.
>
> Rog
>
:
This was lifted from a pos
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